--- Day changed Sat Feb 06 2016 00:11 -!- adnn [adnn@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-gxhvihjcdyvnemor] has joined #lightning-dev 01:36 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jbehettzbcvpllqb] has joined #lightning-dev 01:56 -!- adnn_ [~adnn@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 01:59 -!- adnn [adnn@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-gxhvihjcdyvnemor] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:05 -!- pepesza [~pepesza@185.83.218.228] has joined #lightning-dev 02:05 -!- adnn_ [~adnn@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 02:06 -!- adnn [~adnn@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 02:15 -!- adnn [~adnn@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [] 03:37 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 03:37 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 04:08 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jbehettzbcvpllqb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:10 -!- CJP [~CJP@a83-163-77-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 04:24 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@154.73.63.57] has joined #lightning-dev 04:37 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@154.73.63.57] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:54 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 06:23 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 06:53 -!- leakypat [~sid9@irc-gw.wiz.network] has joined #lightning-dev 07:07 -!- leakypat [~sid9@irc-gw.wiz.network] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:41 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@154.73.63.57] has joined #lightning-dev 07:46 < Eliel> I've been thinking about N-way (where N > 2) channels. I think it might be possible to construct, with a soft fork, an N-way channel using schnorr signatures where any 2 participants can move balances between each other without a need for all of the other N-2 participants to authorize the change. 07:46 < Eliel> Has anyone been working on something like this yet? 08:12 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@154.73.63.57] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:26 -!- Guest60125 [~chatzilla@97-90-24-187.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lightning-dev 08:27 -!- Guest60125 is now known as roidster 08:33 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nakjkdedpntkkoks] has joined #lightning-dev 08:51 < aj> Eliel: i thought about it, but i didn't see how you could have that and allow the remaining N-2 people to still be able to unilaterally close their channels 09:00 < Eliel> Perhaps it could be structured in some way that allows different outputs of the transaction to be committed at different times, each commit then effectively reducing it down to (N-1)-way channel. 09:00 < Eliel> ... well, this sounds like it'd require hard fork though. 09:01 < Eliel> but if this could be supported, I think it might allow pretty flexible sharding of the blockchain. 09:48 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 09:51 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 11:06 -!- Monthrect is now known as Piper-Off 11:06 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 11:09 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 11:12 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 11:28 -!- Piper-Off is now known as Monthrect 12:33 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 12:37 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 12:55 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-100-15-134-80.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:01 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-100-15-134-80.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:53 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:01 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 15:23 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 15:46 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:06 -!- zzyzx [~chatzilla@97-90-24-187.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lightning-dev 16:06 -!- zzyzx is now known as Guest74864 16:09 -!- roidster [~chatzilla@97-90-24-187.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:09 -!- Guest74864 is now known as roidster 16:10 -!- roidster is now known as Guest42465 16:19 -!- laurentmt1 [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 16:21 -!- Eliel_ [~jojkaart@91-159-8-128.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lightning-dev 16:21 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:21 -!- laurentmt1 is now known as laurentmt 16:22 -!- Eliel [~jojkaart@91-159-8-128.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:25 -!- Guest42465 [~chatzilla@97-90-24-187.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:35 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 17:27 -!- roidster [~chatzilla@97-90-24-187.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lightning-dev 18:04 < aj> Eliel_: the nice thing about it is that instead of having to commit $X with A and $Y with B, and rebalancing the channel if you get X vs Y wrong; you could commit $(X+Y) to A+B and not worry about how it ends up balancing out. much easier to get accurate statistical models of groups than individuals 18:04 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 18:16 < Eliel_> aj: yes, it takes a lot of the guesswork out of it. 18:58 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nakjkdedpntkkoks] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:12 -!- jl2012 [uid133844@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-snmzgayzjtzakkql] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:12 -!- jl2012 [uid133844@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-atzvnmmikqnatcuu] has joined #lightning-dev 19:31 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@107-142-8-22.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev 19:56 -!- NewLiberty_ [~NewLibert@107-142-8-22.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev 19:57 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@107-142-8-22.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:42 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:33 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:55 -!- go1111111 [~go1111111@104.200.154.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:18 -!- go1111111 [~go1111111@104.200.154.30] has joined #lightning-dev 23:12 -!- roidster [~chatzilla@97-90-24-187.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:35 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]