--- Day changed Tue Feb 09 2016 00:08 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 00:52 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 02:39 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 02:41 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 03:55 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 04:31 -!- jtimon [~quassel@126.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 04:48 -!- Kexkey [~kexkey@24.114.94.232] has joined #lightning-dev 04:59 -!- Kexkey [~kexkey@24.114.94.232] has quit [] 05:23 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 05:54 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 05:54 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 06:07 -!- Guest41129 [~chatzilla@97-90-24-187.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:11 -!- Guest41129 is now known as roidster 07:28 -!- ququ [2e3b026a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.59.2.106] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:29 -!- qyqy [2e3b026a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.59.2.106] has joined #lightning-dev 07:36 -!- bityogi [~textual@208-104-143-200.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net] has joined #lightning-dev 07:38 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 07:44 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 08:06 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26 -!- adnn [~adnn@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 08:28 -!- adnn_ [~adnn@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:31 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 11:14 -!- qyqy [2e3b026a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.59.2.106] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:17 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 11:17 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 11:29 < AaronvanW> quick question: isn't the lightning network based on the ripple concept? <- I don't mean the company Ripple, but I'm also not sure what I do mean. I just know that I've heard someone say this at some point somewhere. 11:47 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 11:59 -!- Guest6513 [~chatzilla@97-90-24-187.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lightning-dev 12:00 -!- roidster is now known as Guest96802 12:00 -!- Guest6513 is now known as roidster 12:01 < warren> AaronvanW: I think no 12:02 -!- Guest96802 [~chatzilla@97-90-24-187.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:02 < warren> AaronvanW: Lightning doesn't rely on trusting gateways (absolutely centralized), super centralized consensus for the chain, or any particular counterparties. 12:03 < AaronvanW> warren: isn't it at least based on a similar concept? (but better) 12:05 < warren> If promises can be compared to cryptographic guarantees, it's similar? I think it's quite dissimilar. 12:06 < AaronvanW> warren: I'm asking because I found a quote by Mike Hearn in 2014 where he says he thought Ripple was more revolutionary than Bitcoin. 12:06 < AaronvanW> https://youtu.be/U-C3llqr_sE?t=2m9s 12:06 < AaronvanW> which I thought was funny, I guess 12:06 < AaronvanW> btw he also said cheap transaction fees in Bitcoin are not sustainable: https://youtu.be/2MtUKr05Y3I?t=20m13s 12:08 < warren> It's possible Mike was never consistent in wanting what's best for Bitcoin. At least his new employer confirms that suspicion. 12:42 < rusty> warren: let's stick with assuming the best of intentions, please. 12:45 < rusty> AaronvanW: the idea of peer-to-peer payments "rippling" though a network is similar, although "based on the ripple concept" is not true; Joseph Poon modelled it on trading contracts with different expiries. The historical analog to lightning would be the hawala networks. 12:56 -!- btcdrak [uid115429@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xlmhricsrkukefwb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:57 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:01 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 13:02 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 13:24 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 14:09 -!- Geremia [~Geremia@sage.u.arizona.edu] has joined #lightning-dev 14:10 < Geremia> does Elements have an IRC channel? 14:14 < instagibbs> #sidechains-dev 14:24 < Geremia> instagibbs: thanx 14:31 -!- adnn [~adnn@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04 -!- Geremia [~Geremia@sage.u.arizona.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 15:12 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:37 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 15:49 -!- Geremia [~Geremia@sage.u.arizona.edu] has joined #lightning-dev 16:05 -!- adnn [~adnn@104.192.219.234] has joined #lightning-dev 16:11 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 16:12 -!- Geremia [~Geremia@sage.u.arizona.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23 -!- bityogi [~textual@208-104-143-200.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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