--- Day changed Thu Feb 18 2016 00:38 -!- cjcj [2e3b026a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.59.2.106] has joined #lightning-dev 00:53 -!- adnn [~adnn@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:28 -!- matsjj [~matsjj@89.197.31.78] has joined #lightning-dev 03:06 < matsjj> I read through the BIP, just want to make absolutely sure I got it correctly. SW does allow us to return to the dual-tx-approach, doesn't it? Because that would have fantastic implications regarding timeouts (decoupling refund time from revocation time). 03:10 < matsjj> As you can effectively know all txids of the chain, given that signatures aren't important anymore. Not even the R value is necessary anymore. I read through the email thread back then, is there any downside of SW over sighash_noinput for our usecase? 04:00 -!- jtimon [~quassel@37.134.31.46] has joined #lightning-dev 04:14 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128.79.141.196] has joined #lightning-dev 04:59 < aj> matsjj: afaict SW does everything sighash_noinput could do 05:09 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@62.205.214.125] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:13 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@62.205.214.125] has joined #lightning-dev 05:16 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@217.149.135.165] has joined #lightning-dev 05:16 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@217.149.135.165] has quit [Changing host] 05:16 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 05:32 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:46 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 05:46 < matsjj> aj, I think thats not strictly true, you can not spend from unknown tx, as you still sign the input txid. but in our use case that should 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