--- Day changed Fri Oct 14 2016 00:23 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 00:46 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.234.9] has joined #lightning-dev 00:47 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.234.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59 -!- tcrypt[away] is now known as tcrypt 00:59 -!- tcrypt is now known as tcrypt[away] 01:02 -!- tcrypt[away] is now known as tcrypt 01:02 -!- tcrypt is now known as tcrypt[away] 01:08 -!- BW^- [~Bwbwbwbwb@unaffiliated/bw-/x-2460362] has joined #lightning-dev 01:08 < BW^-> hey, to open a Lightning channel - one that brings 0 BTC - do I actually need to stamp it into the main Bitcoin blockchain? 01:09 < BW^-> (i'm aware that if I have BTC in the Bitcoin blockchain and want to use them in a lightning channel, I need to lock them at channel opening via a Bitcoin transaction stamped in the Bitcoin blockchain.) 01:16 -!- tcrypt[away] is now known as tcrypt 01:18 -!- tcrypt is now known as tcrypt[away] 01:24 < gwillen> BW^-: I don't think you can open a 0 BTC channel, I think it has to start with funds in it 01:29 -!- tcrypt[away] is now known as tcrypt 01:29 < BW^-> gwillen: why? 01:29 -!- tcrypt is now known as tcrypt[away] 01:30 < BW^-> gwillen: say that Lightning becomes popular and you get lots of users who want to open channels, so many that there is not space on the Bitcoin blockchain for all of them to get their opening stamped 01:30 < BW^-> gwillen: however, the Bitcoins would only go into those channels and over time the channels would empty (as everyone else is using Lightning too) 01:30 < BW^-> gwillen: one way to make Lightning work in that respect would be to say that 0-BTC channels not need to be stamped to be opened 01:30 < BW^-> gwillen: that way if a channel starts (and ends) at zero, it wouldn't need to be stamped ever, if I got it right 01:50 < BW^-> gwillen,*: any thoughts? 01:58 -!- cdecker [~quassel@2a02:aa16:1105:4a80:fdf7:6cf4:b6b2:d619] has joined #lightning-dev 01:59 -!- 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wraithm [~textual@205.197.160.100] has joined #lightning-dev 07:41 -!- BW^- [~Bwbwbwbwb@unaffiliated/bw-/x-2460362] has quit [Quit: BW^-] 08:39 -!- throckmortonsign [6bddb4a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.221.180.167] has joined #lightning-dev 08:41 -!- tcrypt[away] is now known as tcrypt 08:41 -!- tcrypt is now known as tcrypt[away] 08:42 < throckmortonsign> Tried to buy a cat pic and got a STATE_ERR_BREAKDOWN and then STATE_ERR_INFORMATION_LEAK. 08:42 < throckmortonsign> When attempting to close channel I get "Peer is already closing: state STATE_ERR_INFORMATION_LEAK"" 08:42 -!- tcrypt[away] is now known as tcrypt 08:42 -!- tcrypt is now known as tcrypt[away] 08:43 < throckmortonsign> Yet when trying to reconnect I get: "Already connected to peer 02915506c736ffec49ad58fc021779600dcd2b7a52ac97690571aea5b4d9be2706" 08:49 -!- jannes [~jannes@178.132.211.90] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:53 -!- tcrypt[away] is now known as tcrypt 09:53 -!- tcrypt is now known as tcrypt[away] 09:55 < gwillen> throckmortonsign: sounds like a bug -- report as much as you can on https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/issues 10:13 -!- tcrypt[away] is now known as tcrypt 10:13 -!- tcrypt is now known as tcrypt[away] 10:30 -!- tcrypt[away] is now known as tcrypt 10:31 -!- tcrypt is now known as tcrypt[away] 10:38 -!- tcrypt[away] is now known as tcrypt 10:38 -!- tcrypt is now known as tcrypt[away] 10:41 -!- tcrypt[away] is now known as tcrypt 10:41 -!- tcrypt is now known as tcrypt[away] 10:45 -!- tcrypt[away] is now known as tcrypt 10:45 -!- tcrypt is now known as tcrypt[away] 10:52 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.234.97] has joined #lightning-dev 10:56 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.234.97] has quit [Client Quit] 11:04 -!- tcrypt[away] is now known as tcrypt 11:04 -!- tcrypt is now known as tcrypt[away] 11:05 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 11:43 -!- inara` 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