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23:31 < arubi> BW^-, yea 23:32 < BW^-> yey! 23:32 < arubi> :) 23:32 < BW^-> arubi: i have a question to understand how withdrawal from Lightning node to bitcoin networks works, do you have a minute? it's relating to another usecase, wish to briefly discuss how this works or not works 23:33 < BW^-> adiabat: there? 23:34 < arubi> you can try asking here, I don't know how well I can answer 23:34 < BW^-> mhm 23:34 < BW^-> so 23:34 < BW^-> my question is basically this - Adam is sending BTC to Bob through the lightning network. (either directly or via intermediaries e.g. AC CB) 23:35 < BW^-> when Bob checks out his Bitcoins on-chain, how does he get the signing access withdraw exactly so many? 23:36 < BW^-> ahh - i know the answer - it's through a pre-signed Bitcoin network transaction. hm. 23:39 < BW^-> arubi,adiabat: what I would want to understand is if there is any way that I can run an off-Bitcoin-network transaction network where we trade "spending certificates". 23:48 < arubi> I think you'd need to really define what you want to build, it's not very clear what spending certificates are