--- Day changed Sun Feb 19 2017 00:01 -!- takayaimai [~takayaima@em119-72-198-77.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:34 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 00:44 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-unttxiyuxfoeqxpm] has joined #lightning-dev 00:57 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:00 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has joined #lightning-dev 01:04 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has joined #lightning-dev 01:13 -!- lclc [~lclc@unaffiliated/lclc] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:49 -!- takayaim_ [~takayaima@em1-115-199-131.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11 -!- lclc [~lclc@unaffiliated/lclc] has joined #lightning-dev 02:37 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 03:04 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:19 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 05:05 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:58 -!- moli_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11 -!- wasi [~wasi@gateway/tor-sasl/wasi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11 -!- wasi [~wasi@gateway/tor-sasl/wasi] has joined #lightning-dev 06:31 -!- cdecker [~cdecker@mail.snyke.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:31 -!- cdecker [~cdecker@mail.snyke.net] has joined #lightning-dev 06:45 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 06:54 -!- takayaimai [~takayaima@em1-115-198-227.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 07:48 -!- wasi [~wasi@gateway/tor-sasl/wasi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49 -!- wasi [~wasi@gateway/tor-sasl/wasi] has joined #lightning-dev 08:25 -!- takayaimai [~takayaima@em1-115-198-227.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:04 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:58 -!- moli_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 09:59 -!- jtimon [~quassel@245.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 10:21 -!- moli_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:23 -!- moli_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 10:25 -!- lclc [~lclc@unaffiliated/lclc] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:13 -!- lclc [~lclc@unaffiliated/lclc] has joined #lightning-dev 11:40 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 12:21 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:41 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 13:10 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 13:42 -!- lclc [~lclc@unaffiliated/lclc] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:10 < amiller> hi 14:12 < amiller> i've been working on how to reduce the necessary expiry "TTL" when making a payment across a path with many hops 14:13 < amiller> right now in lightning you basically have to pad by the initial TTL by a few blocks for every hop in the path 14:14 < amiller> (to be safe, the difference has to be long enough that if a block occurs that claims an 'outgoing' payment for one party by one deadline, then that party can guaranteed get a transaction submitted before the next deadline) 14:15 < amiller> i came up with a way of doing this in Ethereum that doesn't have that limitation at all. it works by having a single contract that keeps track of if/when a preimage was revealed before some time 14:17 < amiller> i think this is potentially really interesting because making the TTL longer the longer paths you have, provides some pressure to have a centralized rather than decentralized payment topology (i imagine its arguable how much of an impact this would have, since it doesn't make a difference in the typical/optimistic case) 14:21 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:22 < amiller> here's an implementation example in ethereum https://github.com/amiller/sprites/ 14:22 < amiller> i'm writing about it here to ask the question, is this possible to emulate in Bitcoin? 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