--- Day changed Sun Mar 12 2017 00:18 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mnbtviyhbwvtmlnc] has joined #lightning-dev 00:18 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 00:24 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:27 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 00:46 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:12 -!- starkness [~starkness@104-193-168-51.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: starkness] 01:48 -!- aalex__ [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has joined #lightning-dev 01:56 -!- aalex__ [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:26 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 03:34 -!- takayaimai [~takayaima@em119-72-192-242.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 03:39 -!- takayaimai [~takayaima@em119-72-192-242.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02 -!- jtimon [~quassel@70.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 04:04 -!- takayaimai [~takayaima@p2702029-ipngn22301marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 05:00 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:26 -!- jtimon [~quassel@70.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:36 -!- JackH [~laptop@79-73-184-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lightning-dev 05:40 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 05:42 -!- takayaimai [~takayaima@p2702029-ipngn22301marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15 -!- jouke_ [~jouke@5353D8FC.cm-6-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:16 -!- jouke [~jouke@5353D8FC.cm-6-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lightning-dev 06:48 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has joined #lightning-dev 06:52 -!- nemgun1 [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has joined #lightning-dev 06:54 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:56 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has joined #lightning-dev 06:58 < nemgun> hello 06:59 -!- nemgun1 [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:15 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:17 -!- takayaimai [~takayaima@em119-72-195-255.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 07:23 -!- nemgun1 [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has joined #lightning-dev 07:26 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:30 -!- aalex__ [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has joined #lightning-dev 07:32 -!- nemgun1 [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33 -!- nemgun1 [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has joined #lightning-dev 07:36 -!- aalex__ [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:46 -!- takayaimai [~takayaima@em119-72-195-255.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:55 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has joined #lightning-dev 07:58 -!- nemgun1 [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:01 -!- nemgun1 [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has joined #lightning-dev 08:04 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:06 < stevenroose> stonecoldpat, any reference on duplex? I didn't hear about that one.. 08:06 < nemgun1> can i have more informations about this room ? 08:11 < moli_> nemgun1, this channel is for lightning network development 08:11 < nemgun1> moli_ interesting 08:11 < nemgun1> can i have a brief sumarry or a link to follow ? 08:14 < moli_> nemgun1, i think the code is here: https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/ 08:15 < nemgun1> Thank you, i heard about this project some hours ago 08:15 < nemgun1> i will take the time to fetch it 08:15 < moli_> there's also LND, also lightning 08:15 < nemgun1> but which one is related to bitcoin-core ? 08:15 < moli_> they all are 08:16 < moli_> there's channel #lnd if you're interested 08:16 < nemgun1> ah, ok, thank you 08:16 < nemgun1> i will join 08:16 -!- takayaimai [~takayaima@em119-72-195-255.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 08:16 < nemgun1> i see, so there is a daemon, and a client ? 08:17 < moli_> nemgun1, this link might help to answer some questions: https://medium.com/@AudunGulbrands1/lightning-faq-67bd2b957d70#.u2ht1nfat 08:17 < moli_> nemgun1, yes 08:18 < nemgun1> so it will be bitcoin core, in lightning network 08:18 < nemgun1> right ? 08:22 < moli_> yes 08:32 -!- takayaimai [~takayaima@em119-72-195-255.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:33 -!- takayaimai [~takayaima@em119-72-195-255.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 08:37 -!- takayaimai [~takayaima@em119-72-195-255.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:07 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.123.26] has joined #lightning-dev 09:09 -!- nemgun1 [~nemgun@105.101.10.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:14 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 09:16 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:24 -!- Monthrect is now known as Piper-Off 10:12 -!- starkness [~starkness@104-193-168-51.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lightning-dev 10:13 -!- nemgun1 [~nemgun@105.101.123.26] has joined #lightning-dev 10:16 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.123.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:51 -!- jtimon [~quassel@70.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 10:54 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.123.26] has joined #lightning-dev 10:57 -!- nemgun1 [~nemgun@105.101.123.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:05 < stevenroose> moli_, nemgun1, actually neither of both lightning implementations are "related" to bitcoin core 11:06 < stevenroose> ElementsProject/lightning is being developed by Blockstream, while lnd is being developed by Lightning (the company at lightning.network) 11:07 < stevenroose> In regard of code dependency, I guess Blockstream's lightning will be using bitcoin core, the client, but lnd is using btcd, the Go implementation 11:08 < nemgun> stevenroose, thank you, but now i am loosed :s 11:09 < moli_> stevenroose, by saying related to bitcoin core i mean it's not related to dogecoin 11:10 < moli_> just to clarify that LN uses bitcoins and to stop the so long fuds that "LN is not bitcoin" whatever that means 11:10 < stevenroose> yeah lightning is definitely bitcoin 11:11 < stevenroose> I was confused about you saying "bitcoin core" :) Bitcoin Core is a development team and client implementation of Bitcoin, but there are several others 11:15 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 11:19 < moli_> oh sorry for the confusion, i wasn't thinking of "core", but yea, LN is not built into the protocol, it's a second layer on top of bitcoin 11:34 < nemgun> moli_, that's what i understood 11:34 < nemgun> but i though LND is a daemon implementation of LN 11:47 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@190.219.188.141] has joined #lightning-dev 12:16 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@190.219.188.141] has quit [] 12:29 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@106.red-83-61-222.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:52 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:54 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@106.red-83-61-222.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:05 -!- moli_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:07 -!- moli_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 13:09 -!- moli_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Client Quit] 13:27 -!- nemgun1 [~nemgun@105.101.123.26] has joined #lightning-dev 13:29 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.123.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:36 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 13:37 -!- nemgun1 [~nemgun@105.101.123.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:55 -githubby:#lightning-dev- [lightning] cdecker opened pull request #126: Added request number based multiplexing to `subd` (master...subd-request-muxing) https://git.io/vyKHx 14:24 -!- moli_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 14:52 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 14:54 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 14:57 -!- moli_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:28 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:43 -!- Guest4565 [~gunit5@ip47.ip-149-56-250.net] has joined #lightning-dev 15:48 -!- droark [~droark@c-24-22-123-27.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ZZZzzz…] 15:50 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 15:54 -!- JackH [~laptop@79-73-184-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55 -!- Guest4565 [~gunit5@ip47.ip-149-56-250.net] has quit [Quit: ...] 16:01 -!- wasi [~wasi@gateway/tor-sasl/wasi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02 -!- wasi [~wasi@gateway/tor-sasl/wasi] has joined #lightning-dev 16:02 -!- molz_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 16:02 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 16:35 < maaku> I know nothing about lnd, but I don't see why they would use btcd? They can just call out to bitcoin core via json-rpc for signing, and use bitcoin-tx for creating transactions 16:36 -!- droark [~droark@static-50-53-23-142.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lightning-dev 16:47 < molz_> maaku, i'm guessing because golang is hip .. lol jk 16:48 < rusty> maaku: using bitcoin-core is a complete PITA. You end up using it as a dumb block pipe. There's no sane way to specify what UTXOs you're interested in, for example. That's why c-lightning ends up only seeing txs when they enter a block, for example. 16:49 < rusty> maaku: and given that roasbeef wrote all the segwit stuff in btcd... 17:18 -!- jtimon [~quassel@70.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:59 -!- cjamthagen_ [~user@h-88-153.a230.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:01 -!- wraithm [~textual@24-136-25-168.c3-0.lem-ubr2.chi-lem.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lightning-dev 18:19 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:24 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 18:31 -!- aalex__ [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has joined #lightning-dev 18:34 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mnbtviyhbwvtmlnc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:35 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:47 -!- wraithm [~textual@24-136-25-168.c3-0.lem-ubr2.chi-lem.il.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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