--- Day changed Thu Jun 01 2017 00:12 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 00:31 < afdudley> I kinda like this dual anchor thing... 00:31 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 00:37 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:49 < afdudley> roasbeef: https://pastebin.com/NHKSajCC Doesn't this do what I was asking for? I think I want something like a dual anchor in practice, but I appreciate the downsides. Is there another forum that is better for this discussion, I don't want to spam people :) 00:52 -!- JackH [~laptop@217.149.140.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:00 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-52.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .] 01:06 -!- JackH [~laptop@212.78.169.180] has joined #lightning-dev 01:08 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-52.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 01:30 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kfdmqypobbjivmqp] has joined #lightning-dev 02:24 -!- JackH [~laptop@212.78.169.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:38 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has joined #lightning-dev 03:02 -!- jtimon [~quassel@117.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 03:10 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 03:12 -!- cbits [~cbits@47.148.176.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:12 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:12 -!- jtimon 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the connection] 14:17 -!- Char0n [~Char0n@82.211.44.195] has joined #lightning-dev 14:17 -!- Char0n [~Char0n@82.211.44.195] has quit [Changing host] 14:17 -!- Char0n [~Char0n@unaffiliated/char0n] has joined #lightning-dev 14:37 -!- jannes [~jannes@095-097-246-234.static.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:04 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.156.143] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:10 -!- cbits_ [~cbits@2607:f380:a61:650:54f3:c94d:9da:2946] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:01 <+roasbeef> afdudley: dual-anchor stuff is no longer needed assuming segwit activation 16:02 <+roasbeef> taking a look at the script 16:02 < afdudley> cool, thanks. it's a one/two line change. 16:02 <+roasbeef> imo this is the appropriate medium, and i'm sure people are curious about dex constructions using lightning 16:02 <+roasbeef> also fwiw the scripts in that paper are dated and not what we currently use, current version switches back to the "2-layer" approach in the original LN paper 16:03 <+roasbeef> this lets us decouple the aboslute (CLTV, HTLC) timeoutes from the relative (CSV) timeouts 16:03 < afdudley> ah. Okay. 16:04 < afdudley> I will review the contracts in the paper. I couldn't be bothered to read the bytes from the LN source code :D 16:04 <+roasbeef> lightning-rfc has the most up to date contracts: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/03-transactions.md#transactions 16:06 <+roasbeef> in a nut shell: the commitment outputs have direct delays if it's your commitment transaction. htlc outputs are essentially off-chain coveneants using multi-sig, output directly has a revocation clause 16:07 <+roasbeef> then there's a set of transactions for the timeout (cltv expiartion), and success (on-chain HTLC claim) 16:09 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.156.143] has joined #lightning-dev 16:17 -!- cbits_ [~cbits@2607:f380:a61:650:54f3:c94d:9da:2946] has joined #lightning-dev 16:20 -!- cbits [~cbits@2607:f380:a61:650:5511:51b5:1522:4e0d] has joined #lightning-dev 16:23 -!- cbits_ [~cbits@2607:f380:a61:650:54f3:c94d:9da:2946] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] --- Log closed Thu Jun 01 16:48:51 2017 --- Log opened Thu Jun 01 16:59:14 2017 16:59 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has joined #lightning-dev 16:59 -!- Irssi: #lightning-dev: Total of 72 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 71 normal] 17:10 -!- Irssi: Join to #lightning-dev was synced in 704 secs 17:33 -!- cfields [~quassel@unaffiliated/cfields] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 17:34 -!- cfields [~quassel@unaffiliated/cfields] has joined #lightning-dev 17:56 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kfdmqypobbjivmqp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:05 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 18:20 -!- jtremback_____ [sid67723@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-srwooedlalcbxelc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:13 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-52.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:16 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-52.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 19:44 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #lightning-dev 20:13 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:25 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #lightning-dev 20:47 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:49 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ckwnnylkknbfwuxe] has joined #lightning-dev 23:05 -!- jtimon [~quassel@117.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:33 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 23:38 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:55 -!- nemgun1 [~nemgun@105.101.30.158] has joined #lightning-dev 23:58 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.156.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]