--- Day changed Thu Jul 20 2017 00:13 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 00:32 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28 -!- cbits [~cbits@c-217-115-42-58.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #lightning-dev 01:39 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:08 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 02:38 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has joined #lightning-dev 02:42 -!- sstone [~sstone@3.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has joined #lightning-dev 03:18 -!- cbits [~cbits@c-217-115-42-58.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:33 -!- HostFat [~HostFat@93-39-178-182.ip77.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:46 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:54 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has joined #lightning-dev 04:13 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 04:13 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:15 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:34 -!- Mesh [794b379a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.75.55.154] has joined #lightning-dev 04:42 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has joined #lightning-dev 04:44 -!- Mesh [794b379a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.75.55.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:09 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@095-129-172-087-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:09 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-052-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 05:15 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-052-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:15 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-075-232-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 05:38 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:41 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 05:43 -!- HostFat [~HostFat@93-39-178-182.ip77.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lightning-dev 05:46 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has joined #lightning-dev 05:53 -!- cbits [~cbits@c-217-115-42-58.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:11 -!- marcoagner [~user@191.249.242.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:23 -!- marcoagner [~user@177.41.200.241] has joined #lightning-dev 06:40 -!- HostFat [~HostFat@93-39-178-182.ip77.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:20 -!- cjd [~user@2c0f:f930:2:12::] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:27 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:28 -!- cbits [~cbits@c-217-115-42-58.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:47 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has joined #lightning-dev 07:54 -!- jtimon [~quassel@102.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 07:58 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:10 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:11 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 08:12 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-52.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .] 08:18 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:27 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-52.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:32 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-075-232-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:33 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-177-222-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 09:17 -!- bincap [~vd@85-222-72-154.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lightning-dev 09:17 < bincap> Hello 09:17 < bincap> Lighting Network is trustless - at every point you do own the signed bitcoin transaction to "cash out", so that the "LN server" between alice and bob, can never steal money from either of them. Not destroy it. At most it can cause them to wait longer to take it out (because of timelock) yes? 09:25 < bincap> there are guys on reddit arguing LN is not trustless at all. I would love to see rebuttal, and I do not have technical details on me. https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6oei5x/curious_how_segwit2x_plays_out_here_is_how/dkh9zan/?context=3 09:31 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 09:37 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:51 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has joined #lightning-dev 09:54 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has quit [Client Quit] 10:19 < cdecker> Yes, LN is completely trustless, though there is a risk of having funds locked for some time 10:20 < cdecker> This time is configurable and can be tweaked to suite your needs, so it's up to you to decide :-) 10:22 < cdecker> As for r/btc, don't take it too serious, if they had any reasonable objection they'd be able to formalize it better than "show me the opposite of what I'm claiming" :-) 10:23 < cdecker> Let them show you an attack first and then we can start dispelling it ^^ 10:29 -!- sstone [~sstone@3.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:33 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 10:33 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:55 -!- cbits [~cbits@92-244-6-154.customers.ownit.se] has joined #lightning-dev 10:56 -!- cbits [~cbits@92-244-6-154.customers.ownit.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 11:29 -!- jtimon [~quassel@102.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:48 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 11:52 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 12:11 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 12:14 -!- jtimon [~quassel@102.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 12:17 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 13:30 -!- JackH [~laptop@188.204.181.234] has joined #lightning-dev 14:50 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@206.54.118.113] has joined #lightning-dev 14:55 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has joined #lightning-dev 15:05 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:08 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 15:11 -!- 07IAAJ5QL [~lightning@138.197.213.35] has joined #lightning-dev 15:11 -!- 07IAAJ5QL [~lightning@138.197.213.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11 -!- 92AABH5ZU [~lightning@138.197.213.35] has joined #lightning-dev 15:23 < 92AABH5ZU> oh .. nice, thanks, Bryan 15:27 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:28 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:30 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@206.54.118.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@206.54.118.113] has joined #lightning-dev 15:52 < 92AABH5ZU> thanks! 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