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should wait until lightning network comes out 15:25 < Doobly> I was just going to monitor the child key for like 1 confirmation before approving the sale 15:30 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 15:30 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 15:31 < StopAndDecrypt> lightning isnt an upgrade to the protocol, anyone can work on building the feature and just implement it. 15:31 < StopAndDecrypt> i'd highly recomend not having a business model that waits on development on new technologies 15:32 < StopAndDecrypt> put out what you can now and prepare to update when lightning is ready (im not a dev), assume 1 years time 15:33 < Doobly> sound advice, I just found the LND developer site. 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I'm reading through the Bolt #3 spec and am a bit confused by the per-secret commitment derivation pseudocode here: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/03-transactions.md#per-commitment-secret-requirements. 17:52 < jimpo_> I understand the concept, but should the generate_from_seed and derive_secret functions iterate B in reverse order? 17:52 < jimpo_> Like "for B in 47 downto 0" and "for B in bits-1 downto 0"? 17:53 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-szusvyjmiruqeihf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:57 -!- jimpo [36afffb0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.54.175.255.176] has joined #lightning-dev 17:58 -!- jimpo [36afffb0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.54.175.255.176] has quit [Client Quit] 18:01 -!- jimpo_ [~jimpo@ec2-52-42-179-84.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has left #lightning-dev [] 18:08 -!- jimpo [~jimpo@ec2-52-42-179-84.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lightning-dev 18:13 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@static-100-38-216-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 18:27 -!- riclas [riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:47 < Eliel> I was reading the protocol spec and it seems to me be to missing a critical feature. That is, the ability to send a regular bitcoin transaction from a channel and reform the channel with the change address. Am I just too blind to figure out how to use the protocol to do this or has it been omitted? 18:49 < Eliel> Many users are hesitant to "lock" their funds into a payment channel and this sort of a feature would help a lot in dispelling that feeling. 18:50 < Eliel> If that feature existed, people wouldn't have to think too hard about how much to keep in a channel and how much in regular bitcoin addresses. 18:55 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:57 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 19:10 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:15 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 19:36 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 20:01 -!- afk11 [~afk11@gateway/tor-sasl/afk11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01 -!- afk11 [~afk11@gateway/tor-sasl/afk11] has joined #lightning-dev 20:55 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 22:10 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 22:33 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qtxiwadfdlgxxgsm] has joined #lightning-dev 23:55 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev