--- Day changed Tue Dec 12 2017 00:06 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has joined #lightning-dev 00:07 -!- JackH [~laptop@abnd35.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:20 -!- JackH [~laptop@91.189.61.70] has joined #lightning-dev 00:40 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43 -!- sugarpuff [sid92283@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntnvhezktwvemzjr] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:44 -!- sugarpuff [sid92283@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gqxzmxdhrrzqhony] has joined #lightning-dev 00:45 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:46 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 00:48 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 00:49 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@xdsl-31-164-85-6.adslplus.ch] has joined #lightning-dev 00:59 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 00:59 -!- Emcy_ [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:01 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:02 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 01:21 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 01:26 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:02 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mmkgvyeirbahyear] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:02 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lightning-dev 02:09 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 02:11 -!- Bits_and_crypts [794a04fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.74.4.253] has joined #lightning-dev 02:13 < Bits_and_crypts> best place to start for setting up a lightning node? can it be done in 24 hrs, cheers! 02:28 < Bits_and_crypts> if anyone can help me with setting up a node that will be greatly appreciated. Cheers 02:29 < mryandao> Bits_and_crypts: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd 02:29 < mryandao> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/INSTALL.md 02:29 -!- baltakatei [~Roses_Rav@50.109.206.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:29 -!- baltakatei [~Roses_Rav@50.109.206.90] has joined #lightning-dev 02:30 < Bits_and_crypts> Thanks mryando! whould you recommend lnd over eclair/c-lightning ? 02:30 < Bits_and_crypts> would* 02:32 < mryandao> uhh, you seem to sound like you want a hassle-free experience setting up a node, so lnd is probably better 02:40 < cdecker> achow101, is this on testnet? 02:40 < cdecker> Testnet fee estimations are completely out of whack 02:42 < Bits_and_crypts> ok thanks mryandao! 02:43 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44 < Bits_and_crypts> noob question but do i need to be running a full bitcoin node to run a lightning node? 02:56 -!- alfa [uid11513@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aslvwbhrfjbwxejq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:00 < mryandao> Bits_and_crypts: yes. 03:00 < cdecker> Currently yes :-) 03:00 -!- Bits_and_crypts [794a04fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.74.4.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:27 -!- zombieC [~zombieC@ua-85-227-38-68.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lightning-dev 03:44 -!- dom_eclair_ [~dom_eclai@80.12.27.170] has joined #lightning-dev 03:48 -!- dom_eclair [~dom_eclai@80.12.34.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:48 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:49 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 04:19 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has joined #lightning-dev 04:25 < CubicEarth> Is a lightning 'node' a lightning 'hub'? Or a 'client'? 04:32 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@xdsl-31-164-85-6.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:46 -!- dom_eclair [~dom_eclai@80.12.38.61] has joined #lightning-dev 04:46 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 04:48 -!- dom_eclair_ [~dom_eclai@80.12.27.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:09 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:12 -!- riclas [riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 05:15 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 05:22 -!- Guest54336 is now known as Rozal 05:22 -!- Rozal [uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpxljuzlgwrepjyc] has quit [Changing host] 05:22 -!- Rozal [uid50160@unaffiliated/rozal] has joined #lightning-dev 05:22 -!- Rozal [uid50160@unaffiliated/rozal] has quit [Changing host] 05:22 -!- Rozal [uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpxljuzlgwrepjyc] has joined #lightning-dev 05:24 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:26 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 05:35 -!- jtimon [~quassel@164.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 05:46 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 06:06 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 06:19 -!- zombieC [~zombieC@ua-85-227-38-68.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:20 -!- sstone [~sstone@3.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:46 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:58 -!- baltakatei [~Roses_Rav@50.109.206.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58 -!- baltakatei [~Roses_Rav@50.109.206.90] has joined #lightning-dev 06:59 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@52.10.104.92.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined #lightning-dev 07:02 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 07:18 -!- JackH [~laptop@91.189.61.70] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:21 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@52.10.104.92.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:22 -!- sstone [~sstone@3.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:26 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has quit [] 07:31 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 07:34 -!- Emcy_ [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 07:36 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:39 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aybklnhucttguaky] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:43 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:47 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 08:15 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .] 08:27 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:32 -!- cuckoo_ [4741f63a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.65.246.58] has joined #lightning-dev 08:35 < cuckoo_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMNfBOUUvgM 08:43 < cdecker> cubicearth, there is no difference :-) 08:43 < cdecker> cuckoo_, lol, the red balloons paper has nothing to do with sybil attacks or lightning in the remotest, Craig is just buzz wording everybody 08:43 < achow101> cdecker: yes 08:44 < cuckoo_> thx 08:44 < cdecker> Yeah, testnet fee estimations are just completely bonkers 08:48 < instagibbs> argh testnet :/ 08:56 < molz> if testnet3 gets reset, will it be better? 08:56 < molz> right it's a lot to download the chain and time consuming for testers 08:56 < molz> right now* 08:57 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@178.197.239.231] has joined #lightning-dev 09:02 < achow101> cdecker: should I try mainnet? 09:03 < cdecker> Only if you want to lose money 09:03 < cdecker> Try setting the fees when starting the node, or have bitcoind running for a while so it can get better estimates 09:04 < achow101> ok. bitcoind has been running for almost a full day now, so I think it should be fine then 09:06 -!- jb55 [~jb55@208.98.200.100] has joined #lightning-dev 09:22 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@178.197.239.231] has quit [] 09:24 < instagibbs> we had an issue where he connected, but showed as "false" on his side. I tried funding channel, "Peer died", but then he could now see me as connected. 09:24 < instagibbs> and was able to fund 09:35 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 09:49 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has joined #lightning-dev 10:01 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pvnilfdbvrbfuvjm] has joined #lightning-dev 10:11 -!- dom_eclair_ [~dom_eclai@80.12.27.188] has joined #lightning-dev 10:11 -!- dom_eclair [~dom_eclai@80.12.38.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:29 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lightning-dev 10:36 < spudowiar> cdecker: So, I asked faucet.lightning.community to create a channel with my node and, after 1 block, it went to CHANNEL_NORMAL. But it would not appear in getchannels and getroute would not work 10:36 < spudowiar> So I'm running with https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/pull/414 now 10:37 < spudowiar> Is that supposed to fix my problem or is it a coincidence that it worked second time around? 10:37 < spudowiar> Also, after applying https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/pull/414, I couldn't get the existing channel to work 10:37 < spudowiar> I had to close it and make a new one 10:37 < spudowiar> s/I couldn't/I still couldn't/ 10:38 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] shannona opened pull request #321: BOLT-09 Edits (master...bolt9) https://git.io/vbzzL 10:39 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 10:48 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 10:52 < lndbot1> supdowiar: create a chan with me :P 10:55 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has joined #lightning-dev 10:59 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 11:02 -!- Bits_and_crypts [7b647799@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.100.119.153] has joined #lightning-dev 11:23 -!- cuckoo_ [4741f63a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.65.246.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:26 < molz> spudowiar, yes, create a channel with justin because he's awesome :D 11:26 < spudowiar> Justin Camarena? 11:26 < spudowiar> Or a different Justin that I don't know? :) 11:26 < molz> spudowiar, so you're testing c-lightning? 11:26 < spudowiar> molz: That's what I currently have running 11:27 < lndbot1> yeah camarena 11:27 < spudowiar> Will do in a bit :) 11:28 < lndbot1> although maybe in a bit, as my node is crashing with a fix coming 11:28 < spudowiar> Currently doing some TREZOR firmware changes that may or may not be related to Lightning :P 11:29 < molz> maybe trezor can create a a LN-Trezor in the future :D 11:44 < cdecker> spudowiar, yes #414 will do the early announcements so that once the channel confirms it becomes usable immediately 11:44 < cdecker> It currently still has a flaky test, so I'm still tinkering with it 11:45 < cdecker> spudowiar, without the patch the channel should have still become available globally at 6 confirmations 11:49 < spudowiar> cdecker: It didn't after 8 blocks 11:49 < spudowiar> Even with the patch 11:49 < cdecker> Ok, that's definitely wrong 11:52 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:54 < jb55> it's it normal that I can't find a route to a peer even when I'm directly connected to it? 11:55 < jb55> oh nm 11:55 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 12:01 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has joined #lightning-dev 12:05 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06 -!- Bits_and_crypts [7b647799@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.100.119.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:09 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has joined #lightning-dev 12:10 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has joined #lightning-dev 12:12 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14 -!- adiabat [~adiabat@45.63.20.152] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 12:16 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has joined #lightning-dev 12:16 -!- adiabat [~adiabat@45.63.20.152] has joined #lightning-dev 12:16 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has joined #lightning-dev 12:18 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@80.107.151.135] has joined #lightning-dev 12:20 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@80.107.151.135] has quit [Changing host] 12:20 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has joined #lightning-dev 12:22 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has joined #lightning-dev 12:23 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has joined #lightning-dev 12:27 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28 < jb55> ah I think I was hitting #284 12:28 < jb55> will try out 413+414 12:30 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:31 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 12:31 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:31 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lightning-dev 12:33 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum2 [~Myself@80.107.151.135] has joined #lightning-dev 12:34 < achow101> what happens if I stop c-lightning when I still have an open channel? 12:35 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:35 -!- adiabat [~adiabat@45.63.20.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:35 -!- stiell [~stian@fsf/member/stiell] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:36 -!- mryandao [~mryandao@unaffiliated/mryandao] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:36 -!- renlord [~ry@unaffiliated/renlord] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:37 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has joined #lightning-dev 12:37 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39 < lndbot1> nothing 12:39 -!- renlord [~ry@unaffiliated/renlord] has joined #lightning-dev 12:39 -!- stiell [~stian@fsf/member/stiell] has joined #lightning-dev 12:39 < lndbot1> well it can't receive payments but that's it 12:40 -!- mryandao [~mryandao@unaffiliated/mryandao] has joined #lightning-dev 12:40 -!- adiabat [~adiabat@45.63.20.152] has joined #lightning-dev 12:42 < rusty> achow101: Should be there when you restart. 12:44 < trotski2000> hi guys I'd like to help if possible. I can put up a bunch of nodes on AWS and Google Cloud, is it useful if I devote them to the lighting network? 12:46 < molz> trotski2000, what do you want to test? 12:46 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:48 < trotski2000> molz: nothing in particular, I just want to help. Being a bitcoiner for a long time, just lurking and reading, and its about time for me to give back 12:49 < trotski2000> molz: so I don't know if lnd is production ready or not. Just wanted to share some resources and be as helpful as possible, 12:54 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum2 is now known as Cogito_Ergo_Sum 12:54 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@80.107.151.135] has quit [] 12:54 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@80.107.151.135] has joined #lightning-dev 12:54 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@80.107.151.135] has quit [Changing host] 12:54 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has joined #lightning-dev 12:59 -!- jb55 [~jb55@208.98.200.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:03 < spudowiar> cdecker: I'll see if I can reproduce it at all and debug 13:03 < spudowiar> Thanks 13:03 < spudowiar> gtg 13:03 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 13:03 < cdecker> Thank you ^^ 13:03 < cdecker> (don't forget to redirect the logs somewhere) 13:05 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:08 -!- HeySteve2 [~hexchaaat@unaffiliated/heysteve] has joined #lightning-dev 13:11 -!- jb55 [~jb55@S010600090fe1f16d.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:12 < jb55> how long is CLOSINGD_SIGEXCHANGE supposed to take? I seem to always get stuck here 13:13 < jb55> makes testing annoying since I can't reconnect and create a new funding channel with that peer while it's in that state 13:13 < HeySteve2> hi, I've written a simple introduction to LN for 99bitcoins.com - would someone be so kind as to fact-check it? 13:21 -!- jb55 [~jb55@S010600090fe1f16d.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:28 -!- jb55 [~jb55@S010600090fe1f16d.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:36 < jb55> cdecker: does this look right? when I reconnect to peer B from peer A when we're in the CLOSINGD_SIGEXCHANGE state, peer B logs this: https://jb55.com/s/8f2bc69143351ca0.txt, and then peer A hangs 13:36 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38 < cdecker> That looks quite strange tbh, it should move into CLOSINGD_COMPLETE eventually, but it might be caught in a weird state due to the reconnect 13:38 < cdecker> Could you file that as an issue on github? 13:39 < jb55> cdecker: yup will do 13:39 < cdecker> Thank you very much :-) 13:51 < jb55> cdecker: reported #435. one day I'll make a lightning tx :P 13:52 < cdecker> We'll get you there 13:52 < cdecker> :-) 13:54 < jb55> I could just use regtest but that feels like cheating 13:55 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 13:56 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 14:20 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 14:36 -!- jb55 [~jb55@S010600090fe1f16d.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:42 -!- bityogi [~textual@208-104-132-26.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net] has joined #lightning-dev 14:42 -!- bityogi [~textual@208-104-132-26.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:42 -!- bityogi [~textual@208-104-132-26.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net] has joined #lightning-dev 14:43 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:44 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 14:44 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:44 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lightning-dev 14:51 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtlwmhlujbzegsgg] has joined #lightning-dev 14:52 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:52 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 15:01 -!- jb55 [~jb55@209.52.88.8] has joined #lightning-dev 15:09 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has quit [] 15:18 -!- jb55 [~jb55@209.52.88.8] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35 -!- jb55 [~jb55@209.52.88.8] has joined #lightning-dev 15:38 -!- jb55 [~jb55@209.52.88.8] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:05 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has quit [Quit: we out here] 16:07 -!- SafeBlock [9f087d17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.159.8.125.23] has joined #lightning-dev 16:07 < SafeBlock> hey 16:11 < SafeBlock> do you know if LN will be implement on bitcoin mainnet in few months ? 16:17 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:17 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 16:18 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] shannona opened pull request #322: BOLT-10 Edits (master...bolt10) https://git.io/vbgLv 16:42 < dcousens> was the rationale for the denomination in the HRP in Bolt11 solely: "The amount is encoded into the human readable part, as it's fairly readable and a useful indicator of how much is being requested." 16:42 < dcousens> I know users will copy the strings, but, won't this promote a culture of relying solely on that instead of wallets providing decent interfaces to confirm the result with users? 16:43 < dcousens> It is additionally a weird expectation for users to "parse" that 16:43 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lightning-dev 16:45 < dcousens> Especially with 4 different multipliers, a user might be expecting 2500m, when in reality they get 2500n, and accept without reading the confirmation screen presented as they "trust" their parsing of the Bech32 HRP... which is not easy. 16:46 < dcousens> IMHO, if it at all, I think using 1 denomination there will be simpler for users, and implementations, to do safely 16:48 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:49 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has joined #lightning-dev 16:51 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has quit [Client Quit] 16:52 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has joined #lightning-dev 17:00 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 17:15 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 17:18 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:23 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 17:37 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:51 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 17:58 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pvnilfdbvrbfuvjm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:08 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 18:18 -!- dan_jen1 [~dan_jen1@63-234-34-226.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #lightning-dev 18:20 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:23 -!- dan_jen1 [~dan_jen1@63-234-34-226.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:35 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70.36.49.138] has joined #lightning-dev 18:48 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has joined #lightning-dev 18:49 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@84.214.5.24] has joined #lightning-dev 19:03 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@84.214.5.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has joined #lightning-dev 19:06 -!- SafeBlock [9f087d17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.159.8.125.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:08 -!- dan_jen1 [~dan_jen1@63-234-34-226.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #lightning-dev 19:09 -!- riclas [riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:14 -!- spinza [~spin@196.212.164.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:24 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has quit [] 19:55 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:57 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@c-73-119-55-73.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 19:59 -!- spinza [~spin@196.212.164.26] has joined #lightning-dev 20:01 -!- bityogi [~textual@208-104-132-26.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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