--- Day changed Sun Dec 31 2017 00:14 -!- drTrololo [~drTrololo@77.232.15.38] has joined #lightning-dev 00:15 -!- Emcy_ [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:39 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-luofzxnqenyuuzok] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:41 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqteqzfmktloxcwg] has joined #lightning-dev 01:02 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qvwazgomqeiwkqnn] has joined #lightning-dev 01:14 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:15 < eck> password entropy 01:15 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lightning-dev 01:50 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 02:23 -!- wxss [~user@184.75.212.45] has joined #lightning-dev 02:37 < booyah> eck: the pin-entered password will be as random as user makes it, so it's up to him. Some additional salt and iterations should be done (like in LUKS). 02:37 < booyah> eck: trezor etc CAN obtain high quality /dev/random from internal hw generator to have true entropy 02:47 < mryandao> where does the entropy come from in trezor? 02:48 < mryandao> when there's barely any I/O 02:48 < mryandao> on linux desktops, /dev/urandom gains entropy from I/O peripherals. 02:52 < booyah> mryandao: I would expect them to obviously implement true entropy in hardware 02:52 < booyah> mryandao: you make e.g. a diode and measure the random electronical nosie on it. there are many ready solutions for it 02:53 < booyah> other additional obvious choice would be to measure the exact (microseconds of clock) time when user presses keys etc 02:58 < mryandao> would anyone like to start a mainnet channel with me? 02:58 < mryandao> ;) 02:59 < mryandao> to celebrate the end of 2017. 02:59 < molz> haha 02:59 < molz> ask justin :D 02:59 < mryandao> who's justin 02:59 < mryandao> i have a small UTXO i'm happy to torch 02:59 < molz> the whiz kid 02:59 < mryandao> made a mistake while doing UTXO consolidation. 03:05 < molz> mryandao, have you played with lnd on testnet? 03:06 < renlord> not lnd 03:06 -!- ralphtheninja [~lms@c-a6abd954.501201261703-0-757473696b74.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:06 -!- renlord [~ry@unaffiliated/renlord] has left #lightning-dev [] 03:07 < mryandao> err, i havent tried lnd. But i've tinkered with c-lightning 03:08 < molz> ah i see 03:09 < molz> i haven't tried c-lightning yet, the guide seems complicated 03:17 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:e0e0:b4af:aded:343c] has joined #lightning-dev 03:26 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has joined #lightning-dev 05:09 -!- riclas [~riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 05:28 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 05:37 -!- wxss [~user@184.75.212.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:38 -!- wxss [~user@85.10.51.64] has joined #lightning-dev 06:05 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Quit: bye] 06:05 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 06:26 -!- polimata [~polimata@2804:7f1:1280:fea8:293a:b260:879e:b082] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:39 -!- polimata [~polimata@2804:7f1:1280:16fd:293a:b260:879e:b082] has joined #lightning-dev 06:39 -!- CubicEarths 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joined #lightning-dev 13:30 -!- parco [~parco@72.88.85.49] has joined #lightning-dev 13:31 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:32 < parco> What's up pioneers 13:32 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-unfrhealheghpbah] has joined #lightning-dev 13:33 < parco> How can I get involved? 14:01 -!- Mattie161 [Mattie@50.69.2.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:02 -!- Mattie161 [~Mattie@50.69.2.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #lightning-dev 14:07 < contrapumpkin> parco: the standard advice is to experiment with lnd on testnet 14:07 < contrapumpkin> and report bugs you find, etc. 14:08 < contrapumpkin> or, experiment with it on mainnet if you feel like you have too much money 14:08 < contrapumpkin> and are keen to lose it 14:34 -!- Anteros [uid228384@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wbufxrjoeebzchqh] has joined #lightning-dev 14:53 < molz> cdecker, haha ok, i was kinda sorta joking there :D 14:53 < molz> parco, can you code ? 14:54 < parco> I like to think so :) 14:55 < molz> what can you code? 14:56 < parco> C, C++, Dart, Java, etc 14:56 < parco> the list goes on 14:59 -!- jb55 [~jb55@2605:8d80:4c2:3bbe:a2af:bdff:fef0:c102] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00 -!- a_meteorite [~a_meteori@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001] has joined #lightning-dev 15:00 -!- a_meteorite [~a_meteori@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00 -!- a_meteorite [~a_meteori@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001] has joined #lightning-dev 15:01 -!- a_meteorite [~a_meteori@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01 -!- a_meteorite [~a_meteori@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001] has joined #lightning-dev 15:11 -!- parco [~parco@72.88.85.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13 -!- parco [~parco@pool-72-88-85-49.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lightning-dev 15:14 < parco> molz: is there some place else i should get started? 15:15 < molz> sure, this channel is more focused on c-lightning and Eclair, if you like to help with lnd we can chat in #lnd channel 15:15 < parco> have to head out to a NYE party, i'll hopefully catch up with you later 15:16 -!- parco [~parco@pool-72-88-85-49.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:17 -!- jb55 [~jb55@2605:8d80:4c0:f059:a2af:bdff:fef0:c102] has joined #lightning-dev 15:23 -!- jb55 [~jb55@2605:8d80:4c0:f059:a2af:bdff:fef0:c102] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:35 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lightning-dev 15:46 -!- wxss [~user@85.10.51.64] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:53 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:01 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lightning-dev 16:06 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:25 -!- jb55 [~jb55@2605:8d80:4c2:f811:a2af:bdff:fef0:c102] has 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