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seconds] 07:32 < instagibbs> Coin Center has said that they believe no, but there is no clear guidance yet. 07:34 < instagibbs> https://coincenter.org/entry/making-sense-of-lightning-network-nodes-and-money-transmission-licensing 07:42 < molz> nice, thanks for the link, instagibbs , i didn't think so either 07:45 -!- dom_eclair [~dom_eclai@92.184.96.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:04 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:09 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:09 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 08:13 -!- SevenTimes [~SevenTime@c-73-162-115-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:13 -!- yuvalr1 [4d7d1802@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.125.24.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:17 -!- m8tion01 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ZMQ is not working when specifiing a different IP than 127.0.0.1 for the tcp socket. I use a remote bitcoind. When I create an ssh tunnel and tunnel the zmq port it works fine. The rpchost directive is pointing to the IP of the node, so there is no nat or firewall issue in the way. 10:44 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:48 < pm> Sentineo: do you see any particular error message? 10:49 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lightning-dev 10:51 < Sentineo> ony message about zmq failing 10:51 < Sentineo> only 10:53 < Sentineo> pm: fr.acinq.eclair.gui.FxPreloader - An error has occuredfr.acinq.eclair.BitcoinZMQConnectionTimeoutException$: could not connect to bitcoind using zeromq 10:54 < Sentineo> that is all 10:55 < pm> have you tried connecting with e.g. pyzmq? https://learning-0mq-with-pyzmq.readthedocs.io/en/latest/pyzmq/patterns/pubsub.html 10:55 < pm> maybe that's a firewall issue? 10:56 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 10:56 < Sentineo> I have no firewall in the way, it is a vm, but will try subscribing to zmq, just need to step out, will get back to you. 10:58 < pm> on the top of my head, I don't see why this wouldn't work. Not saying there isn't a bug 11:05 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:08 -!- crumpets [45ccf0e1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.204.240.225] has joined #lightning-dev 11:09 < crumpets> sup all. is it normal for c-lightning to take a few hours (on a mediocre laptop) to sync from the testnet on first startup? 11:10 < crumpets> i already have bitcoind with an updated testnet 11:11 < crumpets> then i ran lightningd and it has been "adding blocks" for quite some time. appears to be about 40% through the test chain after 3+ hours 11:12 -!- pm [~pm@11.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:14 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 11:23 -!- SevenTimes [~SevenTime@c-73-162-115-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 12:03 <+roasbeef> instagibbs: hows the kool-aid taste? 12:04 <+roasbeef> crumpets: iirc they store a header chain locally, and testnet chain is pretty long, not sure it should take that long tho as c-lightning is pretty snappy perf wise 12:05 < crumpets> thanks @roasbeef. i'm just letting it run and it seems to be making progress so Shrug. it's taking longer than it took to sync the test chain in the first place haha 12:06 <+roasbeef> what kind hardware you running on? > 12:06 < crumpets> intel m processor 900mhz lol 12:06 < crumpets> 8gb ram 256gm ssd 12:06 < crumpets> gb 12:08 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11 -!- wxss [~user@194.88.105.17] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 12:11 -!- wxss [~user@194.88.105.17] has joined #lightning-dev 12:12 -!- wxss [~user@194.88.105.17] has quit [Client Quit] 12:12 -!- wxss [~user@194.88.105.17] has joined #lightning-dev 12:53 -!- crumpets [45ccf0e1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.204.240.225] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:02 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 13:03 -!- tjader [tjader@roku.tjader.xyz] has left #lightning-dev ["Leaving"] 13:17 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bzqkcumkwepihtry] has joined #lightning-dev 13:21 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:57 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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19:58 <+roasbeef> not sure what they do for fee estimation on mobile 19:59 < jb55> eclair mobile 20:00 < jb55> yeah in the network overview it says fee rate of 53,760 sat/kw in the mobile wallet 20:00 < jb55> hmm 20:05 <+roasbeef> so then ti's c-lightning that thinks the fee is too high 20:05 <+roasbeef> how long has the bitcoind node it's connected to been up? 20:06 < jb55> isn't that too high though? 20:06 <+roasbeef> depends, testnet is cray 20:07 <+roasbeef> a channel on the faucet: "fee_per_kw": "59000", 20:08 < jb55> ah I see 20:10 < jb55> my testnet node has been running for 4 hours ... 20:10 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:10 < jb55> "feerate": 0.00001020 from estimatesmartfee ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 20:13 <+roasbeef> 4 hrs not enough to get warmed up? 20:13 <+roasbeef> what block target is that? 20:14 < jb55> 2 20:15 < jb55> mempool-size -testnet 20:15 < jb55> 5.5k 20:19 <+roasbeef> kek@segspam:~/.lnd/logs/testnet3/bitcoin# btcctl --testnet estimatefee 2 20:19 <+roasbeef> 0.0010331022222222221 20:19 <+roasbeef> fwiw... 20:19 <+roasbeef> tho bitcoind has more advanced fee estimation 20:19 <+roasbeef> it's testnet tho, so I wouldn't really sweat the discrepancy 20:20 <+roasbeef> I can increase the fee rate on testnet if you like? 20:20 <+roasbeef> kek 20:21 < jb55> I guess I can add an option to clightning to chill out a bit 20:22 <+roasbeef> well may not be warranted 20:22 <+roasbeef> just your node is new 20:23 <+roasbeef> the bitcoind one 20:23 <+roasbeef> 4hrs isn't that many blocks, at 20 mins a block 20:24 < jb55> my node would never lie to me 20:25 < jb55> I trust him 20:25 <+roasbeef> well he's a baby 20:25 < jb55> true 20:25 <+roasbeef> ain't seen much of the world yet 20:26 <+roasbeef> the chain can be a grim place 20:26 <+roasbeef> i seent a 5k block re-org once 20:26 < jb55> you monster 20:27 < jb55> https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/issues/511 you killed him 20:28 < jb55> just c things 20:33 -!- riclas [riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [] 20:44 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:50 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lightning-dev 20:55 -!- a_meteorite [~a_meteori@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001] has joined #lightning-dev 20:55 < molz> is there a plan to change the name of "c-lightning"? 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