--- Day changed Tue Jan 16 2018 00:00 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:01 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 00:07 -!- fluidjax [~fluidjax@host86-142-41-170.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:08 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 00:17 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:18 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 00:44 < melvster> ok so i finally got testnet running on my raspberry pi and now compiled and started c-lightning 00:44 < melvster> should i be prepared to wait a while? 00:45 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 00:47 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 00:50 < melvster> it says "Adding Block ..." 00:55 < melvster> well it seems to be working despite output 01:02 < melvster> soooo .. who to connect to ... 01:04 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-076-170-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 01:17 < melvster> so i have 6 confirmations but listfunds still is empty 01:20 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lightning-dev 01:43 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@athedsl-91412.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lightning-dev 01:43 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@athedsl-91412.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Changing host] 01:43 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has joined #lightning-dev 01:44 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 01:46 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has quit [Client Quit] 02:01 < melvster> cant seem to get anything in listfunds 02:05 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@athedsl-91412.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lightning-dev 02:05 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@athedsl-91412.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Changing host] 02:05 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has joined #lightning-dev 02:13 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:c4f8:4a6:765c:b286] has joined #lightning-dev 02:18 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lightning-dev 02:19 < melvster> is there a way i can get my private keys (corresponding to "newaddr" from c-lightning ? 02:27 -!- shangzhou [uid156782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jfrqxacfokufxefn] has joined #lightning-dev 02:38 < cdecker> They are generated off of the contents in $HOME/.lightning/hsm_secret 02:45 < melvster> ty! 02:47 < melvster> for format is hsm_secret in? can i use od on it ? 02:50 -!- wxss [~user@185.94.189.170] has joined #lightning-dev 03:02 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:25 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has joined #lightning-dev 03:49 < melvster> helpful : https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/issues/251 03:50 < melvster> issue is that I sent funds to a new address and its not showing up 03:50 < melvster> so i wanted to check somehow 03:52 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54 < melvster> static struct { 03:54 < melvster> struct secret hsm_secret; 03:54 < melvster> struct ext_key bip32; 03:54 < melvster> } secretstuff; 03:54 < melvster> lol 03:54 < melvster> Nobody will ever find it here! 03:55 < melvster> ok so its using bip32 03:56 < melvster> this is pretty nice code! 04:04 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has joined #lightning-dev 04:04 -!- takinbo [uid19838@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-avdzatxxldspqfuo] has joined #lightning-dev 04:05 -!- riclas [riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 04:06 < melvster> maybe it's got to add all the blocks first, i dont know 04:07 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has joined #lightning-dev 04:28 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 04:35 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 04:37 -!- shangzhou [uid156782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jfrqxacfokufxefn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:43 < melvster> that's probably it 04:43 -!- me1 [4fadc5f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.173.197.249] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:43 < melvster> So i thought of a genius idea. once you open a lightning channel, you basically have access to the whole network, like a visa card. But you have to pay to open a channel. Well you can solve that. The company you deal with could pay the price for you. Or even better give you reward points as you use the channel, so that the price of opening and tear down goes to zero over time. It's the classic air miles strategy that is 04:43 < melvster> known to work. 04:45 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 04:48 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:50 -!- Klauss [~Klauss@gateway/tor-sasl/klauss] has joined #lightning-dev 04:53 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has joined #lightning-dev 05:02 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:03 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@2a01:238:42e5:ac00:0:5::] has joined #lightning-dev 05:04 -!- Klauss [~Klauss@gateway/tor-sasl/klauss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:08 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@2a01:238:42e5:ac00:0:5::] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:09 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has joined #lightning-dev 05:12 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:14 -!- TheLive1 [~TheLive1@unaffiliated/thelive1] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 05:15 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@2a01:238:42e5:ac00:0:5::] has joined #lightning-dev 05:15 -!- TheLive1 [~TheLive1@45.76.39.44] has joined #lightning-dev 05:15 -!- TheLive1 [~TheLive1@45.76.39.44] has quit [Changing host] 05:15 -!- TheLive1 [~TheLive1@unaffiliated/thelive1] has joined #lightning-dev 05:18 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ancxszkaxaikaaij] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:22 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 05:22 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@2a01:238:42e5:ac00:0:5::] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 05:25 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@2a01:238:42e5:ac00:0:5::] has joined #lightning-dev 05:28 -!- bauerj [~bauerj@unaffiliated/bauerj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:29 < lndbot> some c-lightning nodes on local regtest go to "connected false" for no reason 05:29 -!- bauerj [~bauerj@unaffiliated/bauerj] has joined #lightning-dev 05:32 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has quit [] 05:35 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@2a01:238:42e5:ac00:0:5::] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:38 -!- murchandamus [~murchghos@ghostdub.de] has joined #lightning-dev 05:53 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:09 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@athedsl-91412.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lightning-dev 06:09 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@athedsl-91412.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Changing host] 06:09 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has joined #lightning-dev 06:27 -!- moctost [~moctost@cpe-107-9-138-59.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: moctost] 06:27 -!- moctost [~moctost@cpe-107-9-138-59.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:51 -!- pm__ [~pm@11.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:51 < pm__> cdecker: hey you there? 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If people who don't mind privacy loss publish this info, wouldn't it make routing a bit faster? 09:53 < jb55> I don't think it will be an issue, you can try different routes by randomly opening links between large nodes or poorly connected nodes. You should be able to sample the number of payments you route to get a rough idea of the profitability. You don't need much more information than this. This will probably be the best way to "try" to make money (which implies making routing fast/more efficient) if 09:53 < jb55> that's even viable. 09:54 < jb55> I could be wrong but that's just the thought I had the other day 10:22 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 10:26 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@athedsl-91412.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lightning-dev 10:26 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@athedsl-91412.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Changing host] 10:26 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has joined #lightning-dev 10:29 -!- kbgg [Elite20763@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-cqjxnwkfghgwoxcu] has quit [Quit: EliteBNC - http://elitebnc.org (Auto-Removal: idle account/not being used)] 10:38 -!- SevenTimes__ [SevenTimes@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/seventimes] has joined #lightning-dev 10:41 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has quit [] 10:42 -!- SevenTimes_ [~SevenTime@c-73-162-115-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit 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send to the initiator, and the "receiving" key is used by the initiator to send to the responder. that's confusing :) 11:05 < pm__> yes but I mean check against the blockchain 11:05 < cdecker> Oh, yes, Rusty added that last week 11:06 < cdecker> Had some issues with pruned nodes and funding txs being spent, now they work 11:06 < pm__> right, so about pruning 11:07 < pm__> was wondering what your strategy were: when we receive a channel_announcement, we currently wait for at least one recent channel_update before validating the channel 11:07 < pm__> do you have any similar strategy in place or do you just validate everything and prune later? 11:08 < pm__> what we do works, but it seems complicated and I'm not very satisfied 11:08 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has joined #lightning-dev 11:09 < pm__> and I suspect we are biased with how testnet behave (lots of stale channels) 11:12 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 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https://git.io/vN8gi 11:57 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has joined #lightning-dev 11:57 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:58 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has joined #lightning-dev 11:58 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:59 <+roasbeef> cdecker: yeh the zombie churn on testnet is pretty significant, i have this announcement filter patch I'm experimenting with on testnet atm, basically you can send a filter to a remote node that restricts what types of announcements it'll send you, first filter is just update time but later can add size, w/e, etc 12:00 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has joined #lightning-dev 12:00 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:02 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has joined #lightning-dev 12:02 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:02 -!- tomichec [~pi@ip-86-49-245-13.net.upcbroadband.cz] 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Question about setting up eclair for mainnet. Is it as simple as not setting my core node to testnet? 16:09 < blyat> I'm trying to monitor mainnet channels/nodes, not actually make transactions at this time. 16:14 -!- vicenteH [~user@35.233.15.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:15 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 16:16 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:16 < tuxx_> hey guys.. theres a bug in docker/lnd/start-lnd.sh 16:17 < tuxx_> its just an unclosed quote and a missing "; than" 16:18 < rusty> tuxx_: maybe better to report on their slack? 16:18 < tuxx_> yea or on github 16:19 < rusty> tuxx_: yeah, I don't know about roasbeef but I certainly prefer that (for trackign stuff) 16:21 < tuxx_> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/613 16:21 < tuxx_> i reported it here 16:22 < tuxx_> do ports need to be forwarded in order to use lnd? (i'm starting it from within docker) 19555/19556? 16:24 < tuxx_> btcd | 2018-01-17 00:14:50.596 [INF] RPCS: RPC server listening on 0.0.0.0:18556 16:30 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 16:33 < mryandao> nice blockstream store. 16:36 < rusty> mryandao: thanks... now got to keep it up for long enough for people to buy stuff :) 16:40 < lndbot> ip? 16:40 < mryandao> i have a question in regards to watchtowers 16:41 < mryandao> is it something that'll eventually be run simultaneously with a LN node? 16:41 < mryandao> so say, if my node suddenly goes offline for wtv reason, someone will publish on behalf of me? 16:41 < mryandao> to close out a channel safely 16:42 < mryandao> and is there a discussion on how to share this transaction safely with peers? 16:42 -!- xmsx [b24549be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.69.73.190] has joined #lightning-dev 16:44 -!- xmsx [b24549be@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.69.73.190] has quit [Client Quit] 16:44 -!- bboo [89e20e09@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.226.14.9] has joined #lightning-dev 16:45 < rusty> mryandao: yes, that's the plan. LightningLabs are working on one, I believe. WRT discussion, I had a long email thread with Tadge when we were designing the tx format for lightning, as he was working on it at the time too. 16:45 -!- bboo [89e20e09@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.226.14.9] has quit [Client Quit] 16:47 < mryandao> rusty: cool. Thanks for that. 16:48 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:48 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 16:49 -!- wavelengthsf [4c679133@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.103.145.51] has joined #lightning-dev 16:49 -!- alcio [adefe61d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.239.230.29] has joined #lightning-dev 16:51 -!- stevenroose_ [~steven@vps.weuste.club] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:52 < mryandao> rusty: while you're here, is there a reason why ccan was not included as a submodule in c-lightning? the latest changes in ccan that fixes the include header for unistd.h has not been pulled into c-lightning. 16:52 -!- stevenroose [~steven@vps.weuste.club] has joined #lightning-dev 16:54 < rusty> mryandao: yes, we don't want all of CCAN. Though we're probably getting close now... 16:55 < rusty> I can update tho... 16:55 -!- wavelengthsf [4c679133@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.103.145.51] has left #lightning-dev [] 16:57 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #lightning-dev 17:00 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 17:04 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:05 -!- Tennis [~Tennis@unaffiliated/tennis] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10 -!- jb55 [~jb55@208.98.200.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:10 -!- nirker [31ffb052@gateway/web/freenode/ip.49.255.176.82] has joined #lightning-dev 17:15 -!- bitconto [~bitconto@185.12.46.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16 -!- Ytxyyuu [~Ytxyyuu@78-71-46-150-no260.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:16 -!- bitconto [~bitconto@ip4d16c34a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #lightning-dev 17:18 < aproc> so i want to switch my lnd node over to mainnet to test the blockstream store out, but I'm running a Core node and it's eating up most of my SSD space 17:20 < aproc> can i switch btcd over to mainnet in a mode that will save space and/or can i bootstrap the blockchain data from the Core node so i wouldn't have to download the entire chain again? 17:20 -!- bitconto [~bitconto@ip4d16c34a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:21 <+roasbeef> aproc: wouldn't advise going on mainnet 17:22 < aproc> lol damn, i was feeling adventurous :P 17:29 -!- alcio [adefe61d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.239.230.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:32 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:c4f8:4a6:765c:b286] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:34 -!- JackH [~laptop@i25091.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:37 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 17:40 -!- doodabba [2f2ae8cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.42.232.204] has joined #lightning-dev 17:46 -!- rabidus [~rabidus@91-145-115-22.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lightning-dev 17:47 < rabidus> guys, \o/ 17:48 -!- cryptonic [57967ce7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.150.124.231] has joined #lightning-dev 17:48 -!- cryptonic [57967ce7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.150.124.231] has quit [Client Quit] 17:54 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lightning-dev 18:15 -!- weex [sid152634@fsf/member/weex] has joined #lightning-dev 18:16 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:24 < weex> is anyone from the blockstream store here? please pm 18:26 < rusty> I am here. 18:30 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:30 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 18:33 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 18:37 -!- wxss [~user@185.94.189.170] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:39 -!- riclas [riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:39 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:40 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 18:42 -!- mikec [6c18a63c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.24.166.60] has joined #lightning-dev 18:43 < mikec> hello! trying to make payment to store.blockstream.com, but get "Could not find a route" - could someone provide a node that I can connect to in order to make this payment? 18:45 < rusty> mikec: you can always open a channel to store.blockstream.com directly: 02f6725f9c1c40333b67faea92fd211c183050f28df32cac3f9d69685fe9665432@104.198.32.198 18:46 < rusty> (What client, BTW?) 18:46 -!- nirker [31ffb052@gateway/web/freenode/ip.49.255.176.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:47 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 18:48 < mikec> thank you! c-lightning 18:50 < mikec> rusty: strangely, I am connected to store.blockstream.com but still get "Could not find a route" when I try to pay.. 18:50 < rusty> mikec: OK, let's move to #c-lightning... 19:11 -!- pastel-de-choclo [bba248d7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.162.72.215] has joined #lightning-dev 19:11 < pastel-de-choclo> hola 19:13 < rusty> Hello! 19:15 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17 -!- kmordic [~kmordic@76.14.28.158] has joined #lightning-dev 19:21 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:23 < jb55> rusty you don't really need a full node on mainnet do you... or am I being too reckless 19:23 < rusty> jb55: yeah... if you prune you'll not see old channels... 19:23 < mlz> lol 19:23 < rusty> Well, used to just crash, but now it just prints a warning... 19:23 < mlz> clightning can run with pruned bitcoind? 19:24 < rusty> mlz: Can, not well. Would prevent it if there was an easy way to tell. lnd has a cool neutrino backend if you want lightweight, 19:24 < rusty> Though not mainnet. 19:25 < mlz> yea 19:27 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:29 -!- mikec [6c18a63c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.24.166.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:31 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 19:31 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:33 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lightning-dev 19:38 -!- harrymm_ [~harrymm@104.207.83.56] has joined #lightning-dev 19:39 <+roasbeef> yeh pruned full nodes aren't yet a mode we support fully either, we depend on the existence of the txindex for something 19:39 <+roasbeef> tho that isn't fundamental would just need to detect the node doesn't have the txindex and fallback to fetching blocks manually over RPC, or directly over the network (for a pruned node) 19:40 <+roasbeef> depends on how tightly linked the lifetime of the pruned node is with the node tho 19:40 -!- mikec [6c18a63c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.24.166.60] has joined #lightning-dev 19:41 -!- mikec [6c18a63c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.24.166.60] has quit [Client Quit] 19:43 -!- emilydaniela [c82c5c9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.44.92.158] has joined #lightning-dev 19:43 < emilydaniela> Hi 19:45 <+roasbeef> oy 19:46 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lightning-dev 19:47 < emilydaniela> I want understand what is c-lightning. Does anyone can help me? 19:48 -!- emilydaniela [c82c5c9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.44.92.158] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:57 < jojeyh> c-lightning is a software implementation of the Lightning Network written in C 19:59 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 20:00 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- Aliencorpse [4405d88b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.5.216.139] has joined #lightning-dev 20:01 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lightning-dev 20:01 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 20:02 -!- nnm [a2ec81b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.236.129.184] has joined #lightning-dev 20:02 < Aliencorpse> Hello, I would like to help, I'm running a bitcoin node, and I would like to help the lightning network. I am hoping I can stay on windows as this is my gaming machine. If I have to switch to linux to run lnd. I will. Is their a windows option? 20:07 -!- nnm [a2ec81b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.236.129.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:07 -!- Aliencorpse_ [~Aliencorp@ip68-5-216-139.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 20:07 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:08 -!- Aliencorpse [4405d88b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.5.216.139] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:10 < Aliencorpse_> I also would like to know what education I should focus on to help. Is there a good online networking class that every lnd/btc dev should know? 20:12 < kmordic> Aliencorpse_: na just jump in i had not clue what i was doing. i get it now for the most part 20:12 < Aliencorpse_> So be it. 20:12 < Aliencorpse_> ty 20:15 -!- wtabata [~wtabata@179.235.79.229] has joined #lightning-dev 20:15 < wtabata> hey guys.. need some help.. when I does run lightningd daemon, where I can find a file can put configs to dont need necessaty to put flags every time? like --network=testnet 20:20 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:20 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 20:31 -!- dx25_ [~dx25@97-121-79-242.omah.qwest.net] has joined #lightning-dev 20:35 -!- rabidus [~rabidus@91-145-115-22.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:36 -!- rabidus [~rabidus@91-145-115-22.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lightning-dev 20:38 < weex> wtabata: should be in .lightning/lightning.conf or similar 20:40 < wtabata> thanks! 20:47 <+roasbeef> Aliencorpse_: lnd runs on windows as well 20:53 -!- melvin__ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 20:53 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56 -!- me1 [95c8fce4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.200.252.228] has joined #lightning-dev 20:56 -!- aproc [~aproc@2605:6000:e503:8300:418f:d7bf:fc94:74f3] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:58 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00 < mlz> Aliencorpse_, if you'd like to install lnd to run on windows with bitcoin i can show you 21:02 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 21:18 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:19 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 21:25 -!- Ytxyyuu [~Ytxyyuu@78-71-46-150-no260.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lightning-dev 21:28 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lightning-dev 21:37 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 21:41 -!- bitconto_ [~bitconto@31.7.61.74] has joined #lightning-dev 21:49 -!- stupidcache [c9fb8518@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.251.133.24] has joined #lightning-dev 21:49 < stupidcache> Hello. Simple question. 21:50 < stupidcache> can i send lets say 0.001 btc in three differents channels at the same time?. for example: chanel A 0.0005 B 0.0002 C 0.0003 21:51 < stupidcache> just as a way to deal wwith lack of liquidity 21:51 <+roasbeef> stupidcache: yes, just need to do so in a way that the payment is still atomic, so you'd use the same paymtn hash 21:51 <+roasbeef> tho there's soem more sugar on top of that which can be used 21:52 -!- Amperture [~amp@24.136.5.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:52 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 21:52 <+roasbeef> this may end up being failry commonnon place as you can maximize your outbound flows to a particular sink 21:55 < stupidcache> thanks!. 21:56 < stupidcache> that was exactly what i was thinking. 21:57 < stupidcache> i knew if that was possible then all the megahubs FUD was only FUD 22:01 <+roasbeef> oh the things we can do... 22:03 -!- sudoScience [~kc@185.65.135.178] has joined #lightning-dev 22:05 < sudoScience> hi all, i am working on getting an eclair node running on a windows vm. I have bitcoin-qt open and synced. my .conf has the same rpc user and pw as my .eclair .conf file, but eclair shows an error when I run it. "Could not connect to bitcoin core using JSON-RPC" 22:06 <+roasbeef> sudoScience: possible check that you compiled with zmq? 22:07 < sudoScience> okay I don't believe i did that thank you! 22:08 <+roasbeef> yeh bitcoind won't complain if you don't compile with zmq, but actually have the settings activated 22:08 <+roasbeef> well it's that you need the proper libs on your system at compile time 22:08 <+roasbeef> also dunno if you're running in regtest, but the default ports changed a few months ago, will land in 0.16 I belive (or w/e they're calling it now lol) 22:10 -!- stupidcache [c9fb8518@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.251.133.24] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:21 < mlz> sudoScience, also try: rpcuser=foo, rpcpassword=bar 22:24 -!- windsok [~windsok@unaffiliated/windsok] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29 -!- thorie [~thorie@thorie.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29 < wtabata> cli/lightning-cli commands are not the same lncli? where can I find this commands? 22:31 < sudoScience> wow you guys rock. this is awesome, i am up and running now 22:31 < jb55> lightning-cli help 22:31 <+roasbeef> sudoScience: welcome :) 22:32 <+roasbeef> wtabata: diff node, diff rpc system, diff command line interface 22:32 -!- pastel-de-choclo [bba248d7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.162.72.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:32 < wtabata> oh. lol thanks.. i just felt like a useless 22:34 < mlz> is there a quicker way to type "lightning-cli"? like shorten it into something like "ln-cli" ? 22:34 < mlz> "lncli" is the best :D 22:34 < mlz> and makes the most sense :D 22:35 <+roasbeef> how about: i 22:35 <+roasbeef> very short 22:35 < mlz> lol 22:35 < mlz> or just . 22:35 < mlz> :D 22:36 < jb55> alias lcli=lightning-cli 22:36 <+roasbeef> alias lcli=i 22:36 <+roasbeef> alias i=lcli 22:41 < jb55> lcli () { ln-tip ln.roasbeef.com '1 sat'; lightning-cli "$@" } 22:41 < wtabata> base on the lightning-cli commands I can't find list all address and total balance too.. i thought if I go into bitcoin-cli getbalance ou getaddresses myaccount I do find this infos but not appears.. this not it sincro with bitcoind? 22:42 <+roasbeef> jb55: roasbeef.computer 22:43 <+roasbeef> wtabata: well it's hooked up to bitcoind, so you can use all the bitcoin-cli commands to poke at the set of outputs 22:43 <+roasbeef> actually I think it imports funds at times 22:44 <+roasbeef> wtabata: iirc once you send in funds it manages the keys itself, though it doesn't yet have a fully fleged wallet (speaking of c-lightning) 22:45 < jb55> wtabata: you'll need to do `lightning-cli newaddr` and send to there 22:48 < wtabata> yyah this a point. I made that.. I generate a new address and I sent btc to it ... but now before adding funds to the channel, I wanted to see how much it has for ex. 22:48 < wtabata> and was confirmed 22:52 < jb55> listfunds? 22:53 < wtabata> nothing.. need I wait to 6 confirmations? 22:55 < wtabata> because so far has only 2 22:56 < jb55> what version of c-lightning are you on? master? 22:56 -!- daouzo23 [~daraki235@81-223-13-90.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #lightning-dev 22:56 -!- daouzo23 [~daraki235@81-223-13-90.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56 -!- daouzo23 [~daraki235@81-223-13-90.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #lightning-dev 22:57 < wtabata> $ git status 22:57 < wtabata> On branch master 23:01 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] MeshCollider opened pull request #359: Make links to BOLTs relative (master...201801_trivial_fixes) https://git.io/vN4nh 23:02 -!- bitconto_ [~bitconto@31.7.61.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:07 -!- bitconto [~bitconto@ip4d16c34a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #lightning-dev 23:09 -!- bitconto_ [~bitconto@81.17.30.86] has joined #lightning-dev 23:11 -!- bitconto [~bitconto@ip4d16c34a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:11 -!- Mandrake [46d660ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.214.96.237] has joined #lightning-dev 23:12 -!- cbag [4d397228@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.57.114.40] has joined #lightning-dev 23:13 -!- Mandrake [46d660ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.214.96.237] has quit [Client Quit] 23:30 -!- cbag [4d397228@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.57.114.40] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:40 -!- windsok [~windsok@unaffiliated/windsok] has joined #lightning-dev 23:46 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev