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00:44 < cncr04s> I want to try LN out where do I get the LN software and what bitcoind version do I need?
01:02 < lndbot> <dlog> You could start by looking at https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd
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06:31 < dontpanic_> hello all, is there a node package yet to interact with lightningd or should I just use grpc?
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06:59 < propumpkin> does lightning have some notion of node reputation?
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07:29 < sgt-miller> would it be correct to say that receiving a lightning payment is as secure as receiving a 0conf bitcoin payment where you decide beforehand what the fees would be?
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07:45 < danielh> Hello, I was trying to increase the capacity of a channel. So I closed the channel to reopen it with more funds, however the channel seems to be stuck in ONCHAIND_MUTUAL even though I have 10+ confirmations on the tx. What am I missing :)
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08:31 < contrapumpkin> sgt-miller: no, it's better than a zero-conf payment
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09:15 < jojeyh> way better than a zero-conf tx
09:16 < jojeyh> sgt-miller, 0 conf txs are not trustless
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10:05 < alexann> need some help please, runnung lightningd (with docker) looks ok, but with lightning i get "ightning_gossipd(14): TRACE: Failed to bind on 2 socket: Address already in use" . What's the trick here?? Bitcoind should just open ports 8333 and 9735 :/
10:05 < alexann> need some help please, runnung bitcoind (with docker) looks ok, but with lightning i get "ightning_gossipd(14): TRACE: Failed to bind on 2 socket: Address already in use" . What's the trick here?? Bitcoind should just open ports 8333 and 9735 :/
10:08 < jojeyh> looks like you've already got an app binded to port 9735
10:09 < jojeyh> check your ports with 'netstat -pant' 
10:09 < jojeyh> see whats on 9735, or just change the port in a command option to lightningd
10:10 < jojeyh> alexann, so you could try 'lightningd --network testnet --port 9736' just to see if it will work
10:11 < jojeyh> and if you have further questions specific to the impl use #c-lightning :)
10:14 < alexann> oh, ok I apologize 
10:15 < jojeyh> not to worry
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11:38 < freerk> Is it possible to run lnd on top of bitcoind (of course with txindex, zmqpubrawblock and zmqpubrawblock configured)? The installation instructions first state that lnd requires a btcd segwit-fork but later explain how to set it up with bitcoind
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11:50 < grafcaps> c-lightning runs on bitcoind by default
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12:02 < grafcaps> When I'm launching lightningd, how do I specify my public IP?
12:03 < vigorousbearhunt> grafcaps, You don't?
12:03 < grafcaps> I just wondered if I should because the first line in the log is "Trying to guess public addresses..." and then it cant
12:05 < vigorousbearhunt> oh     
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12:08 < vitaminc> freerk: there is an #lnd channel - but someone answered your question yesterday that yes, lnd should work with bitcoind just fine. (i have not verified it).
12:08 < grafcaps> anybody know of a list of lightning peers on testnet? yalls.org seems to be down at the moment
12:08 < freerk> thanks!
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12:10 < grafcaps> nevermind, I figured out how to find them on explorer.acinq.co
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12:27 < lndbot> <alexbosworth> having some issues with lnd, working on it
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12:46 < danielh> grafcaps: --ipaddr
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13:45 < vitaminc> anyone know who i need a channel with to be able to buy starblocks? i have a channel with endurance.acinq.co:9735, still get "unable to find a path"
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13:47 < Zelko> Is there a running list of places to make mainnet LN purchases?
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13:52 < lxer> Zelko: real, or testnet?
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14:40 < ossifrage> Any ideas how to convince lighntingd to use my bitcoin cookie file?
14:40 < ossifrage> lightning even
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15:15 < Aliencorpse__> hey everyone
15:16 < Aliencorpse__> can lightningd run on windows? I would like to start helping the network.
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15:19 < Aliencorpse__> wot     
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16:12 < redstorm> Hi just setup a LN node and testing buying starblocks, the funding the channel tx has 6 confirmations but the channel is still inactive.
16:12 < redstorm> { "source" : "021a45969aea11e8a306defcecf52029628c98f7e900941e2fd4f628ccf2aece28", "destination" : "0392419c02fbca83ae8d541cd2f48b662b2238ed8e1e92a93547c23ba32f0d64c6", "short_channel_id" : "1260322:23:0", "flags" : 0, "active" : false, "public" : false }
16:12 < redstorm> is it just a waiting game till its status changes to active true public true?
16:24 < vitaminc> redstorm: as i understand it lnd relies on btcd for the chain state - do you see the 6 block hashes in btcd logs?
16:27 < grafcaps> I'm running into some trouble opening channels in c-lightning...getting this error: local/remote feerates are too different: remoteFeeratePerKw=255 localFeeratePerKw=53760"
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16:29 < rusty> grafcaps: where are you opening channel to?
16:30 < grafcaps> I've tried several different nodes 
16:31 < grafcaps> including but not limited to 036d8454b9c89af87b13b504af429a9ef05922dd084268370de2609b25e34aee21@72.135.235.246
16:31 < grafcaps> 02d2ccdf98507238b7980c94616815ad2fec75f048caeaba738f408da363e43ba1@71.14.230.82
16:33 < rusty> grafcaps: that's not an error from c-lightning BTW.
16:34 < sk8boy189> when you open a channel and you push half the channel capacity to the remote node, is that a transaction to the remote node?
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16:35 < grafcaps> rusty: what do you mean? is it from the network?
16:36 < sk8boy189> in other words: is it possible to fund a channel, then receive payment though that channel without ever sending from that channel?
16:38 < grafcaps> dev-setfees is showing { "immediate" : 1653, "normal" : 255, "slow" : 254 }
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16:40 < sk8boy189> grafcaps: can you open a channel to endurance? 03933884aaf1d6b108397e5efe5c86bcf2d8ca8d2f700eda99db9214fc2712b134@34.250.234.192:9735
16:41 < grafcaps> I already have one open
16:41 < grafcaps> This is me: https://explorer.acinq.co/#/n/0306854ac4441a52d41c23780c29b8103265f00006709d674f0ef23395d6e43904
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16:42 < grafcaps> That's a c-lightning node I have setup at my office. I'm trying to make a payment from there to my lnd node on my laptop, which I'm typing on from my house
16:43 <+roasbeef> you'll get that if c-lightning doesn't like your fee rate grafcaps 
16:43 < redstorm> @vitaminc Yes on the testnet lock explorer i can see the 17 confirms for funding the channel (funds came from bitcoind on testnet, lightningd on same host.
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16:45 < grafcaps> I don't understand why my localFeeratePerKw=53760
16:45 < grafcaps> when dev-setfees shows { "immediate" : 1653, "normal" : 255, "slow" : 254 }
16:46 < sk8boy189> This is me: https://explorer.acinq.co/#/n/036d8454b9c89af87b13b504af429a9ef05922dd084268370de2609b25e34aee21 it is an eclair node
16:47 < sk8boy189> would you like me to try to open a channel to 0306854ac...
16:48 < grafcaps> sk8boy189: yeah I get the same error trying to connect to you
16:48 < grafcaps> yeah sure, give it a shot
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16:55 < sk8boy189> i got "peer sent error: ascii='feerate_per_kw 53760 above maximum 8265'"
16:56 < sk8boy189> seems the fee rate it high on your office node, not your laptop node?
17:02 < sk8boy189> on second thought that must be my feerate, which is the default eclair. maybe eclair defaults not compatible with c-lightning? ill see if i can figure out how to set mine lower and try again
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17:11 < Luvarado> Help
17:11 < Luvarado> Help
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17:23 < sk8boy189> grafcaps: I decreased the eclair default fees 10x, after that i was able to open a channel with 0306854ac
17:24 < sk8boy189> apparently your c-lightning fees are incompatible with eclair's defaults. Are your fees the c-lightning defaults?
17:26 < grafcaps> The thing that puzzles me is that when I check my fee settings they appear to be reasonable { "immediate" : 1653, "normal" : 255, "slow" : 254 }
17:26 < grafcaps> so I just rebooted the node
17:27 < sk8boy189> the error message you found in your logs was a error response from my node
17:28 < grafcaps> okay, so my node was sending out whack info
17:28 < grafcaps> well, the node at the office
17:28 < sk8boy189> when i tried to connect to yours, it failed, i lowered my fees (from default) retried and have established a channel
17:28 < grafcaps> oh wow, now I have a bunch more peers
17:29 < sk8boy189> so your office node, is incompatible with a default eclair node
17:30 < grafcaps> I think it might just be buggy, because I was opening channels just fine before I left the office
17:30 < grafcaps> the settings seemed to be sane
17:31 < grafcaps> and after restarting everything seems to be working again
17:31 < grafcaps> trying some new nodes now
17:31 < sk8boy189> i'll bet if you connect to a default fee setup eclair node it won't work. You'll get the same error as you got from mine earlier
17:33 < grafcaps> now this thing is taking off with a mind of it's own
17:33 < grafcaps> connecting to all kinds of nodes
17:34 < grafcaps> I just started messing with c-lighning today...been mostly playing with lnd so this is all very interesting
17:34 < grafcaps> I'd like to play with eclair as well
17:34 < grafcaps> just haven't gotten to it yet
17:34 < sk8boy189> i meant if you try to open a channel with a default fee eclair node
17:35 < sk8boy189> can you open a channel to 02d2ccdf98507238b7980c94616815ad2fec75f048caeaba738f408da363e43ba1@71.14.230.82 now?
17:36 < grafcaps> yeah 1 sec
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17:37 < grafcaps> connecting worked right away
17:37 < grafcaps> when I try to fund the channel it says "Peer already OPENINGD"
17:38 < grafcaps> probably need to wait for a block or 3
17:38 < grafcaps> I'm guessing
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18:35 < grafcaps> "to_self_delay 2015 larger than 432"
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18:36 < grafcaps> I get that when trying to fund a channel to yalls.org from lightningd
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21:56 <+roasbeef> grafcaps: we started to scale our csv params, etc but c-lightning has some bounds that we exceed at least with the currnet channel sizes, etc 
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