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The basic functionality would be that 1) customer signs agreement with company X 2) Company X creates a series of invoices dated in the future (say every month) 3) customer accepts and automatically pays the invoices on the agreed date. 04:45 -!- athator1 [~mhluc@213.152.162.10] has joined #lightning-dev 04:46 -!- athator [~mhluc@2.29.103.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:53 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 04:57 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:01 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:05 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 05:10 -!- buhrmi [uid252266@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rqsbzrweueeqwigd] has joined #lightning-dev 05:10 -!- Compy_ [sid223296@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cltpcxnjcjlrisoc] has joined #lightning-dev 05:13 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 05:17 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:20 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hbyfzhetemlpdxnt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:26 -!- nsh- is now known as nsh 05:26 -!- LN-Hero_ [56b8d0cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.184.208.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:46 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 05:46 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 05:51 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:55 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 05:58 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.191.198.123] has joined #lightning-dev 06:00 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:00 < stevenroose> I've been trying to make a payment to StarBlocks, but it doesn't seem to be reachable 06:00 < stevenroose> I have 10 channels made by lnd's autopilot, but there is never a path through my peers. ACINQ's explorer also doesn't have an IP for StarBlocks 06:00 < stevenroose> Shouldn't the node's IP be in the invoice? 06:04 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 06:07 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@ip253-210-159-186.ct.co.cr] has joined #lightning-dev 06:07 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@ip253-210-159-186.ct.co.cr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@ip253-210-159-186.ct.co.cr] has joined #lightning-dev 06:10 -!- jperau [~jason@re.permietech.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:10 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.191.198.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:10 -!- jperau [~jason@re.permietech.com.au] has joined #lightning-dev 06:12 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@ip253-210-159-186.ct.co.cr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:16 -!- athator [~mhluc@2.29.103.208] has joined #lightning-dev 06:20 -!- athator1 [~mhluc@213.152.162.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:20 -!- riclas [~riclas@148.63.37.111] has joined #lightning-dev 06:34 -!- toshinoriK [~toshinori@108.62.228.187] has joined #lightning-dev 06:44 -!- bryan_w [~is@2600:2108:9:8a90:5a69:d114:68b8:dae2] has joined #lightning-dev 06:46 -!- sbong [~sbong@2605:e000:1218:370:896e:feb0:7110:1535] has joined #lightning-dev 06:51 -!- sbong [~sbong@2605:e000:1218:370:896e:feb0:7110:1535] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:03 < lndbot> Try 03933884aaf1d6b108397e5efe5c86bcf2d8ca8d2f700eda99db9214fc2712b134@endurance.acinq.co 07:09 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #lightning-dev 07:15 -!- ruby32 [~ruby32@158.106.219.26] has joined #lightning-dev 07:18 -!- wasu [~q@93-103-140-233.dynamic.t-2.net] has joined #lightning-dev 07:26 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 07:37 -!- Mark___ [5bd4cf04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.212.207.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:38 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:47 -!- litch [~litch@rrcs-97-105-252-162.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 07:47 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:48 -!- mughat [~textual@x1-6-28-c6-8e-30-bf-4a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #lightning-dev 07:55 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@101.188.228.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:55 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@101.188.185.250] has joined #lightning-dev 08:01 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has quit [Quit: sandeep] 08:05 -!- ralphtheninja [~lms@host-78-129-54-88.dynamic.voo.be] has joined #lightning-dev 08:10 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:19 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@ip253-210-159-186.ct.co.cr] has joined #lightning-dev 08:28 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 08:29 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:37 -!- jperau [~jason@re.permietech.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:48 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@ip253-210-159-186.ct.co.cr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53 -!- SevenTimes_ [~SevenTime@c-73-162-115-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:53 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:53 -!- rfree_irc [~rfree_irc@172.86.120.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:54 -!- SevenTimes_ [~SevenTime@c-73-162-115-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:55 -!- tuxx [~tuxx@bouncy.pw] has joined #lightning-dev 08:55 < tuxx> when on earth will lightning be ready? :D 08:55 -!- SevenTimes [~SevenTime@c-73-162-115-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:55 -!- dom_eclair [~dom_eclai@92.184.96.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:55 < contrapumpkin> there's over 1000 nodes on mainnet and more on testnet 08:55 -!- rfree_irc [~rfree_irc@172.86.120.144] has joined #lightning-dev 08:56 < tuxx> damn haters are being bearish on btc... 08:56 < contrapumpkin> readiness is not a boolean 08:56 < tuxx> contrapumpkin: it actually is 08:56 -!- dom_eclair [~dom_eclai@92.184.96.224] has joined #lightning-dev 08:56 < tuxx> contrapumpkin: people *shouldnt* be using it on mainnet 08:56 < tuxx> contrapumpkin: until there is an official "stable" release 08:56 < tuxx> contrapumpkin: or well if they do, they shld at least expect the worst 08:56 < contrapumpkin> who says they don't? 08:56 < tuxx> readiness for me is an official release 08:57 < tuxx> contrapumpkin: "they dont" what? 08:57 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 08:57 < contrapumpkin> who says they don't expect the worse, but want to play with it anyway? 08:57 -!- SevenTimes__ [~SevenTime@c-73-162-115-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:57 < tuxx> contrapumpkin: my point exactly.. they are just playing with it.. not actually using it in a production ready enviornment 08:58 -!- SevenTimes_ [~SevenTime@c-73-162-115-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:59 < contrapumpkin> well, I'm saying the value it adds is a continuum, and doesn't suddenly start being valuable when roasbeef or c-lightning folks declare it to be "stable" 08:59 < contrapumpkin> lots of people have already made nice speedy transactions, for real money or testmoney, with it 08:59 < contrapumpkin> they accepted some risk 08:59 < contrapumpkin> but risk is everywhere 08:59 < instagibbs> some people can't be bothered to test things unless they're "hot", should respect that, as well as the fact that devs by and large have said not to(they don't accept responsibility) 09:00 < contrapumpkin> there's sort of a systemic "reputational bullshit" risk that I'd rather we not be subject to collectively 09:00 < contrapumpkin> i.e., random joe loses some coin on mainnet and then FUD spreads, but I think the devs have been clear enough to pre-emptively suppress that 09:00 < contrapumpkin> or I hope so 09:01 -!- SevenTimes [~SevenTime@c-73-162-115-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:02 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@ip253-210-159-186.ct.co.cr] has joined #lightning-dev 09:05 -!- bryan_w [~is@2600:2108:9:8a90:5a69:d114:68b8:dae2] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:07 -!- dom_eclair [~dom_eclai@92.184.96.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:09 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@ip253-210-159-186.ct.co.cr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:12 -!- wasu [~q@93-103-140-233.dynamic.t-2.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:14 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Snoozing.] 09:17 -!- SevenTimes__ [SevenTimes@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/seventimes] has joined #lightning-dev 09:17 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #lightning-dev 09:18 -!- SevenTimes_ [~SevenTime@c-73-162-115-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:22 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:23 -!- sbong [~sbong@64.191.249.101] has joined #lightning-dev 09:24 -!- sbong [~sbong@64.191.249.101] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:25 -!- sbong [~sbong@216.221.228.6] has joined #lightning-dev 09:34 < ianthius> speaking of which. someone sell me something for mainnet satoshis! I have them and am itching to spend them! 09:34 < ianthius> lol 09:36 -!- wasu [~q@93-103-140-233.dynamic.t-2.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:36 -!- dom_eclair [~dom_eclai@80.12.34.108] has joined #lightning-dev 09:39 -!- Emcy_ [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 09:40 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:41 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwyihccktmddwpva] has joined #lightning-dev 09:41 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:52 -!- AndBobsYourUncle [~AndBobsYo@cpe-23-240-21-154.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 09:54 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 09:55 -!- reardencode [~reardenco@hank.reardencode.com] has left #lightning-dev [] 09:56 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:57 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:04 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 10:24 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26 -!- athator [~mhluc@2.29.103.208] has left #lightning-dev [] 10:30 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lightning-dev 10:50 -!- dom_eclair_ [~dom_eclai@80.12.37.204] has joined #lightning-dev 10:52 -!- dom_eclair [~dom_eclai@80.12.34.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:09 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:18 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:19 < kanzure> roasbeef: link? "There's a cool idea floating around on the lightning-dev mailing list and this guy Anton implemented this as well, it's basically each outsourcer has its own specific ecash token." 11:19 < kanzure> can't find. :-( 11:20 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has joined #lightning-dev 11:20 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:20 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has joined #lightning-dev 11:20 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:21 -!- tuxx [~tuxx@bouncy.pw] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:21 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has joined #lightning-dev 11:21 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:21 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has joined #lightning-dev 11:21 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:22 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has joined #lightning-dev 11:22 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has quit [Max 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12:01 <+roasbeef> i could fill in the gap there tho 12:01 < kanzure> sure but i wanted to link to the mailing list post in the transcript 12:02 < kanzure> (i try to use roughly canonical links to things) 12:05 < kanzure> ok i'll leave it out for now 12:05 < kanzure> git push transcript to web https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/959155562134102016 12:10 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@ip59-200-50-179.ct.co.cr] has joined #lightning-dev 12:10 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:11 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:14 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 12:19 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@ip59-200-50-179.ct.co.cr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:21 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@ip59-200-50-179.ct.co.cr] has joined #lightning-dev 12:23 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@ip59-200-50-179.ct.co.cr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:23 -!- 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space 13:39 < kanzure> pushed update. thank you. 13:58 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:00 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 14:15 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:19 -!- ruby32 [~ruby32@158.106.219.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21 -!- ruby32 [~ruby32@158.106.219.26] has joined #lightning-dev 14:49 -!- napalm` [~client@185.56.20.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:49 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 14:58 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has left #lightning-dev [] 14:59 -!- wasu [~q@93-103-140-233.dynamic.t-2.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:02 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:04 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Quit: intcat] 15:05 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 15:11 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lightning-dev 15:18 -!- tuxx [~tuxx@bouncy.pw] has joined #lightning-dev 15:24 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@95.215.47.208] has joined #lightning-dev 15:24 -!- Guest98163 [~tla@72.135.235.246] has joined #lightning-dev 15:26 -!- MTennis [~Tennis@unaffiliated/tennis] has joined #lightning-dev 15:29 -!- MTennis [~Tennis@unaffiliated/tennis] has quit [Client Quit] 15:35 -!- mainesource [640f089c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.100.15.8.156] has joined #lightning-dev 15:38 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:38 -!- litch_ [~litch@rrcs-97-105-252-162.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 15:39 < mainesource> Hey 15:39 -!- litch [~litch@rrcs-97-105-252-162.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:40 < mainesource> looking for help with a payment channel 15:42 -!- litch_ [~litch@rrcs-97-105-252-162.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:55 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 15:58 -!- mughat [~textual@x1-6-28-c6-8e-30-bf-4a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:59 -!- vicenteH [~user@35.233.15.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:00 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:02 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 16:05 < buZz> oh woot, my LN blockstream order shipped :D 16:08 -!- mughat [~textual@x1-6-28-c6-8e-30-bf-4a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #lightning-dev 16:09 < ianthius> buZz: i was surprised i was one of the first 100 nodes on mainnet but My order was over 1000 on blockstreams store. So prior to me on average of 10 orders per node? Or they did a lot of test orders... 16:10 <+roasbeef> ianthius: there could be thousands of others you don't know of, but just didn't advertise their existence, all those exploreres are pretty muchnon sense 16:10 < buZz> lemme find my order number 16:10 < buZz> i was #1676 16:11 < buZz> maybe they started on 1000 16:11 < buZz> or tested a lot prior to going live 16:11 < ianthius> roasbeef: oh interesting, i didn't realize that. What make a node visible or not visible to the explorers? 16:13 < buZz> afaik 'having channels open' 16:13 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:b910:222:b116:3815] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:14 -!- sbong [~sbong@216.221.228.6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.191.198.61] has joined #lightning-dev 16:14 -!- sbong [~sbong@64.191.249.101] has joined #lightning-dev 16:16 < mlz> what a buzz 16:18 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.191.198.61] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19 -!- sbong [~sbong@64.191.249.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:19 < buZz> i assume cdecker does all these shop orders by hand :D 16:19 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.191.254.210] has joined #lightning-dev 16:21 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.191.254.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21 < tuxx> roasbeef: there is an incentive however for nodes to advertise themselves isnt there? 16:22 <+roasbeef> only routing nodes really need to 16:22 < tuxx> roasbeef: as in fees for routing payments.. 16:22 <+roasbeef> most of these nodes are on like peeps laptops, which wont' be actively routing 16:22 < tuxx> roasbeef: true.. not everyone wld want to route 16:22 < tuxx> silly fools... 16:23 < tuxx> roasbeef: btw.. i started fuzzing c-lightning a bit.. built it with clang and libfuzzer.. but jesus.. its no fun to read that code... what on earth is that ccan stuff.... 16:23 <+roasbeef> fuzzing ftw! 16:24 <+roasbeef> yeh not familiar with ccan myself 16:24 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-153-142.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:24 < tuxx> honestly it doesnt leave a great impression 16:24 <+roasbeef> seems to be an OG lib 16:24 < tuxx> actually it even crashes instantly upon start when building with asan 16:24 < tuxx> didnt investigate it very much.. it was in the argv parsing 16:24 <+roasbeef> http://ccodearchive.net/ 16:25 < mlz> it's no fun to read c-lightning query reports on the terminal screen either, it looks really jammed up 16:25 -!- AndBobsYourUncle [~AndBobsYo@cpe-23-240-21-154.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 16:25 < mlz> i've been thinking of submitting a suggestion on the issues 16:25 < tuxx> roasbeef: yea i found http://ccodearchive.net/ .. but i mean.. wtf is that? how trustworthy/tested is that code? 16:27 < tuxx> ahhh... the dude who works on the ccan stuff is also "Employer: Blockstream" according to wiki 16:27 < tuxx> that explains some stuff :) 16:29 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.191.254.210] has joined #lightning-dev 16:29 < gwillen> tuxx: yeah, Rusty is the CCAN guy and also one of the c-lightning people :-) 16:30 < tuxx> gwillen: yea, and he seems rather decent at what he does :) 16:30 < gwillen> yeah! He is also a former Linux kernel maintainer. 16:30 < tuxx> ye 16:32 < mryandao> also author of iptables 16:33 < tuxx> i personally still find it worrisome to be writing something like that in C 16:42 < mryandao> i'm guessing the long-term goal is to bake c-lightning into embedded devices, so you could micropay for embedded services ;) 16:42 < mryandao> can you imagine how awesome would that be? 16:42 < tuxx> mryandao: indeed 16:43 < mryandao> can't possibly bake lnd or eclair into an embedded device 16:43 < buZz> mryandao: well, there are Java VM chips for embedded usage 16:44 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44 < mryandao> buZz: o.O 16:44 < tuxx> buZz: lol.. pls dont 16:45 < mryandao> is it worth it? lol 16:45 < buZz> tuxx: they -do- exist :P 16:45 < mryandao> or purely academic? 16:45 < buZz> mryandao: no clue, imho its 'worth it' for 'java only' devs 16:45 < mryandao> kek 16:45 < buZz> to feign relevance towards the future 16:45 < mryandao> that's very sad. 16:47 <+roasbeef> lnd can get pretty slim ;) 16:47 -!- wxss [~user@95.143.195.106] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:47 < buZz> imho 'IoT' just means 'put it on a ESP8266' 16:47 < tuxx> buZz: i know they exist :) 16:47 <+roasbeef> ToI 16:47 < buZz> which i highly doubt any of current wallets or LN clients can do 16:47 <+roasbeef> things of the internet 16:47 < buZz> if you need 100+ MB of ram just to run a client or wallet, its not IoT anymore 16:47 < buZz> just a computer 16:47 <+roasbeef> well it's still an internet thing :p 16:48 < tuxx> yea.. "embedded devices" arent even that embedded these days anymore.. certainly most of em they cld run a go binary with ease 16:48 < buZz> yes just not that many people that will buy a core i7 to stuff into their fridge to have it buy carrots 16:48 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.191.254.210] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48 < buZz> nor should they, imho 16:48 <+roasbeef> well mine came with an i7 16:48 < buZz> devs just lost the ability to write optimal code 16:48 < buZz> but the 'arduino' movement etc is improving it a lot 16:49 < tuxx> arduino code is "optimal"... lulz... arduino libraries are literally the worst pieces of code i have seen in my entire life :) 16:50 < buZz> sure, but its a more limited platform , leading users on a path of 'what fun can i do with just 4kb ram' 16:50 < mryandao> roasbeef: your fridge came with a i7? 16:50 < buZz> unlike the current dev trend of 'you arent using enough 50MB+ C++ libraries' 16:50 < tuxx> buZz: the answer being 9/10 times: "not much..." 16:51 < mryandao> roasbeef: all your food/perishable are gonna meltdown lol. 16:51 * mryandao ROFL 16:51 < buZz> did you see that guy that made a LN payment operated doorlock? :D 16:51 < buZz> pretty cool imho 16:51 < buZz> but required a core i7 obviously 16:52 < mryandao> i can start billing for the loo now depending on how long you spend in the loo. 16:52 < buZz> mryandao: oooo nice, 'free to enter, pay to leave' 16:52 < buZz> :D 16:52 < buZz> mryandao: you could also add methane sensors and have #2 pay more than #1 16:53 < mlz> buZz, link? 16:53 < buZz> mlz: sry for medium , but ; https://www.facebook.com/kenichi.kurimoto.1/videos/vb.100000948280922/1730789240296002/?type=3 16:53 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #lightning-dev 16:55 < mlz> oh bummer, i don't use FB 16:55 < mlz> oh wait 16:57 < tuxx> buZz: what does a doorlock have to do with LN? 16:58 < tuxx> you pay to open the door? :) 16:58 < buZz> tuxx: sure, like mryandao's example just before 16:58 < buZz> gain some imagination , tuxx :P 16:58 < buZz> i know you can do it 16:59 < tuxx> ^^ 17:00 < tuxx> so like when for when you wanta do poopies? 17:06 < mryandao> yeah 17:06 < mryandao> you wait outside the door until commitment is done. 17:06 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Snoozing.] 17:08 < tuxx> until now people had to wait min. 3 block confirmations.... 17:09 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 17:13 < tuxx> my ryzen pro hosted server crashes reliably when building a linux kernel upon linking... faulty memory? 17:14 < tuxx> reducing -jN seems to help 17:14 < tuxx> tss 17:23 < buZz> tuxx: probably just a shit cpu 17:24 < buZz> or some server admin that doesnt realize how OOM killer works ;) 17:24 < tuxx> buZz: OOM? Its not virtualized 17:27 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:28 < buZz> tuxx: so its the latter :D 17:28 < buZz> lol 17:28 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 17:30 < tuxx> buZz: the machine has 32GB Ram ... and even if it was the oom killer... why would the OOM killer crash the kernel, i.e. not pingable anymore? 17:30 < buZz> oh 17:30 < buZz> thats then just a shitty server 17:30 < buZz> i hope it was cheap 17:30 < tuxx> not really 49€/month 17:31 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 17:44 < buZz> sounds like you were robbed :P 17:44 < buZz> my 2.5eu/month 8core xeons are doing just fine 17:45 < tuxx> buZz: thats a virtualized machine? 17:45 < tuxx> buZz: where are you hosting? 17:45 < buZz> LXC , not really virtual no 17:45 < buZz> crowncloud.net 17:53 -!- mainesource [640f089c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.100.15.8.156] has left #lightning-dev [] 18:01 -!- jperau [~jason@re.permietech.com.au] has joined #lightning-dev 18:09 -!- bryan_w [~is@2600:2108:9:8a90:5a69:d114:68b8:dae2] has joined #lightning-dev 18:12 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:13 -!- jperau [~jason@re.permietech.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:14 -!- jperau [~jason@re.permietech.com.au] has joined #lightning-dev 18:14 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 18:15 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #lightning-dev 18:21 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:33 -!- Rozal_ [uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zaqfoqduyqavzthx] has joined #lightning-dev 18:33 -!- Rozal_ is now known as Rozal 18:33 -!- Rozal [uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zaqfoqduyqavzthx] has quit [Changing host] 18:33 -!- Rozal [uid50160@unaffiliated/rozal] has joined #lightning-dev 18:33 -!- Rozal [uid50160@unaffiliated/rozal] has quit [Changing host] 18:33 -!- Rozal [uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zaqfoqduyqavzthx] has joined #lightning-dev 18:57 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 18:58 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:03 -!- jperau [~jason@re.permietech.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:05 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-100-15-116-35.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:05 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-100-15-116-35.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lightning-dev 19:06 -!- jperau [~jason@re.permietech.com.au] has joined #lightning-dev 19:08 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:11 -!- riclas [~riclas@148.63.37.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:12 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has joined #lightning-dev 19:17 -!- mughat [~textual@x1-6-28-c6-8e-30-bf-4a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Reference cleanup. (master...transport-cleanups) https://git.io/vNbbc 23:41 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:54 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev