--- Day changed Thu Feb 08 2018 00:10 -!- meteo [~meteo@52.201.229.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13 -!- meteo [~meteo@52.201.229.182] has joined #lightning-dev 00:16 -!- Mark__ [5bd4cf04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.212.207.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:18 -!- hsmiths [uid95325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iwgqkrikrlbgelbk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:22 -!- Ruben [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #lightning-dev 00:22 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:27 < buZz> ianthius: :) 00:27 < buZz> i noticed someone on twitter did receive >1 sticker from a order 00:38 -!- lxer [~lx@ip5f5bf7b3.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #lightning-dev 00:38 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 00:46 -!- Mark__ [5bd4cf04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.212.207.4] has joined #lightning-dev 01:02 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 01:11 -!- miklolFi [~miklolFi@78-27-126-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lightning-dev 01:15 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 01:23 -!- bitonic-cjp [~bitonic-c@92-111-70-106.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #lightning-dev 01:27 -!- go1111111 [go1111111@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/go1111111] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:35 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wgvaenvnfgfbbwvz] has joined #lightning-dev 01:41 -!- bryan_w [~is@2600:2108:9:8a90:5a69:d114:68b8:dae2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:13 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:14 -!- hsmiths [uid95325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ypcjvvqcpdfzyqtu] has joined #lightning-dev 02:30 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57 -!- go1111111 [go1111111@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/go1111111] has joined #lightning-dev 02:59 -!- MaxSan [~user@91.207.102.163] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59 -!- sstone [~sstone@3.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has joined #lightning-dev 03:02 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has joined #lightning-dev 03:14 < provoostenator> roasbeef: I'd like to see more rationale behind the various transaction types. Stuff like what problems they're trying to prevent, in what sequence they are created in good vs. bad scenarios. 03:16 < provoostenator> Also what's behind the use of locktime and sequence numbers, and why this doesn't cause problems with their normal usage, maybe specifically pointing out how they don't break BIP 68, 112 03:29 < buZz> 2018-02-08T11:29:20.908Z lightningd(32457): Updating database from version 33 to 35 03:29 < buZz> progress \o 03:30 < buZz> wow, clightning's 'lightning-cli help' changed output format, and not for the better, lol 03:31 < bitonic-cjp> You mean the 'command=\ndescription=' format? 03:35 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:38 < lxer> buzz: help -j 03:38 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:38 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:8549:134e:7322:bbbb] has joined #lightning-dev 03:38 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 03:39 < bitonic-cjp> lightning-cli: -j: unrecognized option 03:40 < buZz> yep 03:40 < buZz> bitonic-cjp: yeah i do 03:40 < lxer> help -J 03:40 < buZz> ah thats the old output , much more legible 03:40 < buZz> ty lxer :) 03:41 < lxer> --help for more options 03:41 < lxer> 'human-readable' lol 03:42 < bitonic-cjp> Same for me; thanks. Although I consider neither to be easily human-readable. For my own use, I turned the output into a spreadsheet table. 03:44 < bitonic-cjp> Maybe a whitespace-aligned (and whitespace-indented for more complex structures) output would be more human-readable? 03:45 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wgvaenvnfgfbbwvz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:45 < buZz> i like bitcoin-cli's help output 03:58 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 03:58 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 04:03 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:19 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has joined #lightning-dev 04:19 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:37 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 04:38 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 04:44 < provoostenator> +1 on the unreadable help output issue, and preference for bitcoin-cli style (or just general unix style) help. 04:44 < provoostenator> #c-lightning though 04:50 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 04:57 -!- miklolFi [~miklolFi@78-27-126-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:57 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has joined #lightning-dev 05:00 -!- CryptoChronicus [44c9a31c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.201.163.28] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:08 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 05:10 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 05:14 -!- chujev [~chujev@vetr-0291.koleje.cuni.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 05:27 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:28 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 05:38 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:41 -!- lio17 [~lio17@80.ip-145-239-89.eu] has quit [Quit: lio17] 05:42 -!- lio17 [~lio17@80.ip-145-239-89.eu] has joined #lightning-dev 05:51 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] practicalswift opened pull request #381: Use a vs an consistently (master...a-vs-an) https://git.io/vATJN 05:52 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has joined #lightning-dev 05:52 < dionysus69> hey all 05:52 < dionysus69> anyone here alone wanting to test lightning network ? 05:53 < dionysus69> I dont have anyone to open channel with + I dont know the basics so 05:53 < dionysus69> where do I get started? I have one testnet bitcoind + lnd running 05:57 -!- Ruben [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:57 < bitonic-cjp> Sorry, I don't have a publicly routable address yet (for now, I'm just testing localhost<->localhost). 06:00 < dionysus69> np :) 06:00 < dionysus69> I should get up two nodes running too maybe 06:10 -!- lxer [~lx@ip5f5bf7b3.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:12 < bitonic-cjp> Do I understand correctly that fees are currently set per-channel per-node? So the fees of sending through a channel are the sum of the fees that both nodes have set for that channel? 06:12 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 06:12 < bitonic-cjp> In that case, a fun way to earn some extra money as a salesman is to set very high fees for incoming transactions on all your channels. So you advertise for your warez, and you get +fees. 06:12 < bitonic-cjp> It would be pretty obvious what's going on though, since the buyer's software can see who gets what fees. 06:12 < bitonic-cjp> In some jurisdictions that might be /become illegal as "misleading price information". 06:13 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:16 < wumpus> interesting idea though I doubt it would work well as a tactic, people would likely report large lightning fees as a weird issue and decide to forego the purchase completely 06:17 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has joined #lightning-dev 06:21 < bitonic-cjp> wumpus: there often is a difference between the market price and the maximum price people are prepared to pay. As a merchant, you can set your advertised price below the market price to attract buyers, and use extra fees to go above market price, closer to the max. people are prepared to pay. 06:22 < wumpus> I agree with that, I just don't think they can increase the (unadvertised) fees enough to make a significant difference. Maybe for really cheap products. 06:22 < wumpus> I mean if the lightning fee exceepds the fee for doing a on-chain transaction it's kind of pointless :) 06:24 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:29 -!- capa66 [capa66@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/capa66] has joined #lightning-dev 06:35 < mlz> wumpus, :D it's a race to the bottom 06:35 < mlz> lnd has ln fees at 1 sat, go ahead and beat that :D 06:36 -!- lxer [~lx@ip5f5bf7b3.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #lightning-dev 06:37 < wumpus> mlz: though everyone using it right now is testing so has no incentive to change that fee setting 06:39 < mlz> yup 06:39 < mlz> and we have zombies moving from testnet to mainnet, so many noobs set up a node and turned off their puter, now there're a bunch of inactive nodes, not helping at all 06:39 < bitonic-cjp> Testing *is* a good reason to change the fee setting, occasionally. 06:44 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:45 < wumpus> yes, nodes using different fees definitely needs testing too, otherwise the path-finding can be kind of bland 06:50 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has joined #lightning-dev 06:58 -!- bryan_w [~is@2600:2108:9:8a90:5a69:d114:68b8:dae2] has joined #lightning-dev 07:05 -!- afilini [~textual@212.91.77.39] has joined #lightning-dev 07:05 -!- afilini [~textual@212.91.77.39] has quit [Client Quit] 07:11 -!- Osso [~osso@2600:1700:37a0:1068::2] has joined #lightning-dev 07:12 < provoostenator> In order to get price discovery, someone has to try a different fee than the default. Nodes clearly advertise their fees, otherwise payment routes can't be calculated. It's just that a user's wallet may not show the fees, which is obviously a serious bug. 07:14 < provoostenator> I believe I set my node fees a lot higher than the default (though still cheaper than layer 1 txs), though I haven't checked if it works. 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Don't know whom to talk to though... 08:50 < pebwindkraft> if at all... 08:54 < buZz> lo 08:54 < buZz> dno if there's specific need for such document atm, but feel free to write something on medium.com or something 08:55 < buZz> keep in mind, it helps most if you write it for testnet 08:59 -!- AndBobsYourUncle [AndBobsYou@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/andbobsyouruncle] has joined #lightning-dev 08:59 -!- AndBobsYourUncle [AndBobsYou@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/andbobsyouruncle] has quit [Client Quit] 09:00 -!- jigawatt [2f2ae8cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.42.232.204] has joined #lightning-dev 09:02 -!- bitonic-cjp [~bitonic-c@92-111-70-106.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:03 < pebwindkraft> yup, have it installed and running for testnet. 09:07 -!- finkan [~finkan@194-103-214-178.kund.ipswe.com] has joined #lightning-dev 09:07 -!- bryan_w [~is@2600:2108:9:8a90:5a69:d114:68b8:dae2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:21 -!- pebwindkraft 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[chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:18 -!- bryan_w [~is@2600:2108:9:8a90:5a69:d114:68b8:dae2] has joined #lightning-dev 18:31 -!- Osso [~osso@162-225-190-212.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev 18:37 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:42 < CubicEarths> roasbeef: The maps are the best part :) 18:42 < CubicEarths> It is how we know it is real: Proof of Map 18:42 <+roasbeef> kek 18:43 <+roasbeef> yeh it helps to show peeps that this is all actually a thing, but then ppl get too obsessed with it, and don't realize that it isn't authorotative at all 18:43 <+roasbeef> most nodes don't need to advertise channels at all 18:44 <+roasbeef> and also we really need distributed synchronized coin join channel openings, and most routing nodes running as hidden services... 18:44 <+roasbeef> or onion services as the cool kids want them to be called now 18:44 < lndbot> can’t wait to see where those maps paint tor nodes 18:47 < CubicEarths> seems good to have these first few months be out in the open thought, so people can figure out wtf is going on with it as a system, and pushing it underground once it is working well 18:59 < lndbot> will be up to the users ultimately, but given that anonymity is a numbers game, it’s never too early to encourage it 19:05 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 19:06 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #lightning-dev 19:17 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Snoozing.] 19:30 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:38 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit 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What bout clightning? It should be the default for nodes to be hidden.. 21:14 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has joined #lightning-dev 21:15 < ZmnSCPxj> Good morning ianthius, currently c-lightning has not even an issue for becoming a TOR onion service. For myself, I would like that feature also 21:15 < ZmnSCPxj> Perhaps I should make an issue for this.... 21:18 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has quit [Client Quit] 21:19 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:20 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:20 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:25 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 21:40 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 21:42 < ianthius> ZmnSCPxj: good idea. I'll +1 it :) 21:48 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 21:48 -!- Osso [~osso@162-225-190-212.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:51 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lightning-dev 22:03 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 22:15 -!- sengehest [~sengehest@188.81-166-37.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lightning-dev 22:17 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has joined #lightning-dev 22:30 -!- sengehest [~sengehest@188.81-166-37.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:40 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:53 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:05 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cgpkhxjxevmxujuj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:06 -!- bryan_w [~is@2600:2108:9:8a90:5a69:d114:68b8:dae2] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:08 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:24 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has joined #lightning-dev 23:33 -!- cubancorona_ [adf42c13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.244.44.19] has joined #lightning-dev 23:49 < buZz> rusty and vendu dont hang around here anymore? 23:49 < buZz> holy f, this channel was registered 13yrs ago? O_o 23:57 < dionysus69> what can I do to let the lnd start on startup 23:57 < dionysus69> since wallet is encrypted, how can I lncli unlock without human interaction? 23:59 < buZz> doesnt it allow STDIN to input the password , or something? 23:59 < buZz> you could hack the password into lnd itself ;)