--- Day changed Mon Apr 09 2018 00:04 < jojeyh> i'm gonna assume that was to me lol 00:05 < jojeyh> wumpus, i don't necessarily think it's a bad thing that channels will be biases towards forwarding (sending) as it would probably lend itself to a more distributed topology 00:05 < jojeyh> wumpus, but for me it raises a legit problem functionally, because if somebody opens up a channel they can only send money, to receive money it's required somebody open a channel with them 00:07 < aj> jojeyh: long term, channels have to be unbiassed -- if you send X and recevice Y, then X-Y < capacity and Y-X < capacity, so X = Y +/- capacity, and if you're keeping the channel open you want X and Y to keep growing, while capacity is constant 00:09 -!- melik__ [~melik@97.90.42.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:10 < jojeyh> aj, makes sense, which i'm assuming is why once a certain amount reaches the other side it has to remain 00:10 < jojeyh> aj, i'm really trying to figure out this particular case, if i want to receive money i must get someone to open a channel with me (assuming that i had no other channels open) 00:13 < wumpus> unless you send money first 00:13 < wumpus> then you can receive that amount back 00:13 < jojeyh> wumpus, yea that would be one way 00:14 < jojeyh> i feel like there are a lot of situations where X and Y do not remain proportional though 00:14 < jojeyh> like a business paying its employees 00:15 < aj> jojeyh: a business pays employees, but receives money from customers 00:15 < aj> jojeyh: an employee receives a salary, but buys groceries 00:16 < aj> jojeyh: alternatively, you can pay an exchange/bank/similar with lightning and have them send you an on-chain tx or fiat, or vice-versa 00:17 < wumpus> good point,that would be one way to 'bootstrap' for receiving payments 00:17 < jojeyh> aj, i see what you're sayin but that would require multiple channels on each parties right? 00:18 < jojeyh> realistically that balance couldn't occur without multiple avenues to rebalance all the HTLCs ? 00:18 < aj> jojeyh: some people have to have multiple channels or you don't have a network; and better if everyone does. but business/employee/customer in the above examples could get away with a single channel 00:19 < jojeyh> aj, do you think lightning will end up with a loosely federated system of supernodes ? 00:21 < jojeyh> aj, in your exchange/bank/similar the setup would be that the exchange is opening the channel? 00:21 < aj> jojeyh: i did an animation a while ago for my own benefit, with Alice only paying money and Emma only receiving money, but using an exchange to keep things balanced -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFt9-lKWyo 00:22 < jojeyh> ah very nifty 00:23 < jojeyh> is the X the exchange in this case? 00:25 < aj> jojeyh: yeah. there's a discription in the, uh, description 00:27 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:34 -!- melik [~melik@97.90.42.34] has joined #lightning-dev 00:46 -!- nickler [~nickler@185.12.46.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:47 -!- nickler [~nickler@185.12.46.130] has joined #lightning-dev 00:54 < cdecker> roasbeef, isn't lnd recognizing the bcrt prefix for regtest payments anymore? 00:55 < cdecker> It fails to pay this invoice lnbcrt10u1pdvk8qzpp530zcrd5c709r2q7klkdr40xf275hhznfeyg298d9plr3dc568exsdqjv3jhxcmjd9c8g6t0dccqpxj8dxw6nmf2g394l70mujjsyre3pvld5t38fl2hcukp9sq88rsl2kazpdqwcznj3fn3l3uh5esalfjzjtrlpkvvjduh5mnsgsysrvzxcqtmqku7 with (StatusCode.UNKNOWN, unknown network) 00:56 -!- nickler [~nickler@185.12.46.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:58 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 00:59 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@ip124.67-202-83.static.steadfastdns.net] has joined #lightning-dev 01:02 -!- nickler [~nickler@185.12.46.130] has joined #lightning-dev 01:03 -!- laurentmt1 [~Thunderbi@62.112.9.237] has joined #lightning-dev 01:04 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@ip124.67-202-83.static.steadfastdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:04 -!- laurentmt1 is now known as laurentmt 01:08 -!- bitonic-cjp [~bitonic-c@92-111-70-106.static.v4.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lightning-dev 02:07 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:18 -!- GTHaxor1 [~GTHaxor@2601:5c0:c100:ad70:2dfe:b117:8b2f:c377] has joined #lightning-dev 02:19 -!- GTHaxor [~GTHaxor@2601:5c0:c100:ad70:ecc5:7e56:aada:cf9f] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:20 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lightning-dev 02:58 -!- jtimon [~quassel@142.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 03:04 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@62.112.9.237] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 03:07 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 04:01 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 04:07 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DC473B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lightning-dev 04:07 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DC473B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 04:07 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lightning-dev 04:11 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@xdsl-188-155-63-9.adslplus.ch] has joined #lightning-dev 04:21 < bitonic-cjp> When does LND spontaneously connect to nodes? It seems to be a result of calling RPC commands (but I'm not calling the connect command, just simple querying commands). 04:25 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 04:27 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 04:30 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:31 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 04:50 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:58 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 05:13 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:40 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:65e4:5759:8f5f:308] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:48 < wumpus> I don't think it's supposed to spontaneously connect at all 05:50 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:51 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 05:53 < bitonic-cjp> They are in my listpeers output. I don't have any channels with them, so I guess it's just for gossiping. 05:53 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:65c8:2abf:4403:de2d] has joined #lightning-dev 06:08 < wumpus> oh that might be 06:34 < bitonic-cjp> Oh wait, I understand. The first time I use the RPC, I unlock the wallet. That's when it starts connecting to peers. 06:35 < bitonic-cjp> That is the relation between using the RPC and the appearance of these (probably gossip-only) peers. 06:37 -!- nealsampat [059d0753@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.157.7.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:47 -!- yapamoto [c0285f1d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.40.95.29] has joined #lightning-dev 06:52 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has joined #lightning-dev 07:00 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:23 -!- jimpo [~jimpo@ec2-52-42-179-84.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:28 -!- jimpo [~jimpo@ec2-52-42-179-84.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lightning-dev 07:34 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:35 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 07:40 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:53 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 08:10 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:11 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 08:15 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:21 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 08:23 -!- Murch [~murch@96.74.120.81] has joined #lightning-dev 08:24 < mlz> bitonic-cjp, probably your IP was known to some peers before and they remember so now they connect to your IP 08:25 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:25 < bitonic-cjp> My IP is 127.0.0.1, behind a NAT. 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