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03:12 < CubicEarths> Setup: Eclair Wallet --> c-lightning node --> Y'alls. I am paying Y'alls from my my phone. My phone has a single channel open to my node, and my node has a channel open to Y'alls (as well as other channels).
03:13 < CubicEarths> When I try to pay to Yalls from my phone for the first time in a while, the payment can take a minute or two to complete. After that payment completes, a second payment to Yalls takes just a second or two
03:14 < mlz> CubicEarths, nice :D
03:14 < CubicEarths> but why?
03:14 < mlz> CubicEarths, why what?
03:14 < ysangkok> well, did you check if the channel closes and needs reopening?
03:15 < mlz> ysangkok, why should he do that?
03:15 < CubicEarths> why does it take over 1 minute for the first payment, and just 1 second for the second?
03:15 < CubicEarths> Is it trying to find the best route?
03:15 < mlz> CubicEarths, ah.. hm not sure
03:15 < mlz> maybe
03:16 < CubicEarths> There is just one route from the phone out... that is to my own c-node. I guess there are hundreds of potential routes from my c-node to Yalls, but one of those routes is direct!
03:17 < mlz> and shortest 
03:19 < mlz> CubicEarths, did your eclair node pay some fee to your c-lightning node?
03:20 < CubicEarths> I think it did
03:20 < CubicEarths> 1.001 sats
03:20 < mlz> haha cool
03:27 < CubicEarths> It seems like an needed optimization will be the ability to specify what routing fee is 'low enough', so that the search can stop as soon as that threshold is met
03:43 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] cdecker pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpkBi
03:43 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- lightning-rfc/master 99da0d6 Landon Mutch: BOLT 08: copy edit to line 188, impliment standard spacings between sections;
03:43 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- lightning-rfc/master 7dd1983 Landon Mutch: BOLT 8: finish copy edit to bring in line with stylesheet;
03:43 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- lightning-rfc/master f608c33 Landon Mutch: make changes requested by cdecker
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04:11 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] cdecker opened pull request #415: BOLT0: Add introduction and background info to index (master...history) https://git.io/vpk0Q
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07:50 < sstone> cdecker: how do you compute the max.acceptable fee rate ? we got a channel to 02f672... disconnected because our fee proposal was too high and the max. value in the error message is quite low
07:51 < sstone> cdecker: it does not seem to be consistent with BitGo or estimatesmartfee from 2 different bicoinds that have been running for some time
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07:56 < sstone> CubicEarths: route computation is quite fast, it's more likely the initial download of the routing table upon connection that makes it look like the 1st payment is slow  
07:58 < CubicEarths> sstone: Thanks. perhaps eclair wallet is not trying to download the table until the transaction is attempted?
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08:07 < sstone> eclair will sync the routing table each time it connects/reconnects to the peer the channel is opened with. during this time it may look as if the peer is responding very slowly 
08:08 < sstone> a change is the specs in being validated and will make this process much faster
08:10 < mlz> sstone, I had the impression that Eclair mobile is designed to look for a route to Endurance node first, am i right? 
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08:15 < sstone> mlz: no, route computation is will return the cheapest route it can find. 
08:16 < mlz> ah ok
08:17 < sstone> mlz: but there is a `connect with ACINQ` option in the `open new channel` menu that a lot of people use, though you can open a channel with anyone (just scan the uri on recksplorer for example)
08:22 < mlz> sstone, yes, that i know, thanks for explaining :) 
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11:49 < roasbeef> CubicEarths: would make a ticket in the eclair repo 
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11:51 < roasbeef> ah read further in the scrollback, nvm :) 
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13:53 < rompert> @sstone *scan* the uri on recksplorer? does recksplorer give QR codes somewhere i haven't found?
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15:10 < bsm117532> Layer-2 Summit announced: http://www.bostonblockchaincommunity.com/
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15:40 < roasbeef> bsm117532: oh snap
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16:02 < CubicEarths> Will be there!
16:03 < CubicEarths> roasbeef: Wanna be on my hackathon team? You can be the captain :)
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16:25 < lndbot> <justin> aww man, would have gone if I hadn't already booked a trip elsewhere
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17:14 < roasbeef> CubicEarths: don't think i'm going, but some of our peeps will be there 
17:21 < mlz> stark, conner, and alexbosworth will be there! I hope they'll have live stream
17:23 < mlz>  progress=1.000000 cache=2731.1MiB(19910158txo)
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17:24 < CubicEarths> Well, I was going to be in Boston anyway... so happy coincidence for me.
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17:53 < cipher-d> why not have multiple wallets on same lightening node?
17:54 < roasbeef> cipher-d: ? 
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18:02 < bsm117532> I really want to organize some mining-into-lightning-channels work with braids (a DAG) during our hackathon. Though I can't participate in our hackathon. :-D
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18:10 < mlz> CubicEarths, cool, lucky you :D
18:10 < bsm117532> (Join #braidpool if you're interested in this idea)
18:11 < CubicEarths> bsm117532: You are an organizer?
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18:12 < bsm117532> Yes     
18:12 < bsm117532> I work at Fidelity, one of the sponsors. Also I've worked a lot on DAGs (google "braiding the blockchain" for youtube videos of my talks)
18:13 < CubicEarths> Oh yes, I just looked you up. I remember reading some of your stuff years ago. Maybe it was in the heat of the scaling debate?
18:14 < bsm117532> Yes.  Braids aren't an awesome scaling solution.  They solve certain incentive problems but only buy you a factor ~few over what a blockchain can deliver.
18:15 < bsm117532> Taek reached the same conclusion with his Jute project.
18:15 < bsm117532> But in the context of a mining pool (p2pool replacement) combined with payment channels, this could be truly awesome.
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18:59 < bsm117532> unicode fail
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21:17 < geezas> I've got a synced bitcoind running on Ubuntu 16.04 and a freshly built c-lightning that I'm trying to boot up but running into issues
21:19 < geezas> I'm following steps on github, and this is what I get when I try to run it using "./lightningd/lightningd" command:
21:19 < geezas> Could not connect to bitcoind using bitcoin-cli. Is bitcoind running?
21:19 < geezas> Make sure you have bitcoind running and that bitcoin-cli is able to connect to bitcoind.
21:19 < geezas> You can verify that your Bitcoin Core installation is ready for use by running:
21:19 < geezas>     $ bitcoin-cli -testnet echo 'hello world'
21:20 < geezas> I'm trying to run this on mainnet, not testnet though
21:20 < mlz> well you should be able to run "lightningd" from any directory
21:20 < mlz> then don't run -testnet
21:20 < geezas> if I run "bitcoin-cli echo 'hello world'" I get a proper echo, so bitcoin is running
21:21 < geezas> if I run "bitcoin-cli -testnet echo 'hello world'" (testnet), then I get: "error: Could not locate RPC credentials. No authentication cookie could be found, and RPC p
21:21 < geezas> assword is not set. ..."
21:21 < mlz> <mlz> then don't run -testnet
21:22 < geezas> I'm not running testnet
21:22 < geezas> the problem is trying to start lightningd
21:22 < mlz> did you compile it?
21:22 < geezas> tells me it can't connect to bitcoind
21:23 < geezas> I wonder if there's an extra step needed to start ln on mainnet as opposed to testnet?
21:23 < mlz> cd .lightning
21:23 < mlz> nano config
21:23 < mlz> and put this in there: network=bitcoin
21:26 < geezas> hmm... still same error - can't find bitcoin
21:27 < geezas> the error message still suggests to test if bitcoin-cli is running by adding -testnet parameter
21:28 < geezas> does this indicate that when I try to run lightningd it's still looking for testnet instead of mainnet?
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21:37 < geezas> does a noob friendly troubleshooting guide exist? or any guide, really..
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21:39 < geezas> when I run "./lightningd/lightningd --network=bitcoin
21:39 < geezas> I get this:
21:39 < geezas> Wallet blockchain hash does not match network 
21:39 < geezas> blockchain hash: 000000000933ea01ad0ee984209779baaec3ced90fa3f408719526f8d77f4943 != 00000
21:39 < geezas> 0000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f
21:39 < geezas> lightningd: Wallet network check failed.
21:42 < geezas> so looks like lightningd is looking for testnet blockchain, as the first hash is the first block of testnet, while the second one is the first block of the mainnet
21:46 < geezas> would anyone know how to update lightning's wallet blockchain hash from testnet to mainnet? 
21:47 < mlz> because you have a testnet .lightning database
21:48 < mlz> you need to move it and start "lightningd" again, 
21:51 < geezas> got it, makes sense, when I ran it first time I didn't know it will set itself up for testnet by default
21:52 < geezas> mlz, so I can safely delete the database file and it will recreate a new one for mainnet, right?
21:52 < geezas> do you know which file is the database file?
21:52 < mlz> correct
21:53 < mlz> do you see ".lightning" directory? 
21:53 < mlz> rm -rf .lightning
21:53 < geezas> yep     
21:55 < geezas> found it, thanks - I was looking for it within lightning dir, looks like it got created adjacent to it in the same parent dir
21:55 < geezas> thanks a lot
21:56 < mlz> np      
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23:06 < lndbot> <stark> @justin tbh i think you're too advanced anyway ;)
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