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failure is not returned (e.g. if a node shuts down/disappears after forwarding but before returning the success/fail) and money is indeed locked 03:49 < ZmnSCPxj> Possible to limit that locktime, by `maxdelay` parameter of `pay` command of c-lightning 03:50 < ZmnSCPxj> Note, if you cannot get the success/fail, it is not safe to retry another route: the payment may have succeeded, only, a node died before returning the success message to you 03:50 < ZmnSCPxj> you can be sure it failed, only after the delay locktime 03:50 < ZmnSCPxj> which in c-lightning is limited by `maxdelay` 03:51 < ZmnSCPxj> Good morning rompert, I believe c-lightning uses 60 seconds 03:51 < ZmnSCPxj> But far more often we exhaust all possible routes before then. 03:52 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:56 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 03:57 -!- mholter [~mholter@213-216-219-162.co.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:06 -!- MaxSan [~user@86.105.9.67] has joined #lightning-dev 04:06 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 04:07 -!- mholter [~mholter@213-216-219-162.co.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lightning-dev 04:37 -!- nardly [4d6ff608@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.111.246.8] has joined #lightning-dev 04:49 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:58 -!- crt4 [~hk@213.205.192.227] has quit [Quit: crt4] 05:02 < rompert> bah. remind me to ask ZmnSCPxj a followup-question when he's back online :) 05:03 < cdecker> It's always morning where ZmnSCPxj is :-) 05:03 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@37.58.58.232] has joined #lightning-dev 05:04 < mryandao> he lives in the North Pole? 05:08 < rompert> oh he is santa that comes with PR:s ? 05:08 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 05:10 < rompert> anyhows. i'll shoot anyhows. the question, or actually thought was... the scenario painted up is a bit scary. 05:10 < rompert> my thought was... with AMP you could send 99% in parallel without waiting too long for failure. then just send the last 1 sat via safer retry methods to unlock the whole thing? 05:11 < rompert> since it is more probably to find a 1 sat route than a 999999 sat route if you send 1Msat 05:11 < rompert> sure you will temporarily screw up balances, but the payment itself will only clear *once* 05:13 -!- BCBot [~BCBot@46.101.246.115] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:19 < cdecker> rompert, that'll work, but no need to split off the 1%, you can just split failing partial payments, and it'll all work out nicely 05:20 < cdecker> No need to designate a particular split as the unlock split 05:21 < rompert> yeah but you don't want to split into more pieces than necessary, and i thought 99/1 would be better split than 50/50 since the 1% would be easier/faster to find a route for 05:27 < cdecker> Well you can try 100% at once, then that fails, now you try 50%/50%, one of which fails, then you split 50%/25%/25%, and so on 05:27 < cdecker> No need to hope the first 99% goes through, just do an adaptive splitting as the larger splits fail 05:28 < cdecker> You'll sort of minimize the cumulative base fees and minimize latency 05:28 < cdecker> (as a matter of fact I think you'll end up with a 2-approximation of the optimal fees, can't prove it though) 05:30 -!- BCBot [~BCBot@46.101.246.115] has joined #lightning-dev 05:32 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 05:39 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:39 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 05:44 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:44 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:50 < rompert> cdecker: yes that is normal amp procedure. what I was thinking of is the scenario when you payment goes thru and you don't get the response back and it is not safe to try another path. I was thinking by using amp you could safely try to resend the bulk of it anyhows, and only be careful with the last unlocking 1 sat partial payment which has more possible safer routes available due to it's small size. Do you understand 05:50 < rompert> how I think? I could probably miss something :) 05:51 < cdecker> Hm, the payment getting locked up is mainly because one of the nodes died while negotiating 05:51 < cdecker> Capacity failures will clear almost instantly 05:52 < cdecker> So either you use the same path for the trigger split, at which point you don't gain much, or you still doubled the failure rate 05:59 < rompert> Hmmm.... I'll be back. On phone now so I can't torture you with ASCII art. 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