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orange_> Maybe something like the receiver forwarding the htlc to the sender s.t. if for some reason the first attempt succeeds after some time it would be refunded (in a cricle) back to the sender... ? 04:02 < orange_> circle 04:04 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:23 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lightning-dev 04:29 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 04:32 -!- DrOlmer [~DrOlmer@unaffiliated/drolmer] has joined #lightning-dev 04:35 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@37.58.58.232] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 04:39 -!- rompert [sid13298@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bjbtesketzxlikef] has quit [] 04:40 -!- rompert [sid13298@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yqwybpbfkhzvfvah] has joined #lightning-dev 04:41 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@178.197.231.54] has joined #lightning-dev 04:53 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 04:53 -!- m8tion [~user@88.190.249.49] has 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[~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 07:08 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Client Quit] 07:08 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 07:11 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Client Quit] 07:12 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 07:36 -!- icota [~igor@cpe-109-60-4-46.st3.cable.xnet.hr] has joined #lightning-dev 07:40 < icota> https://github.com/lightninglabs/neutrino/blob/master/neutrino.go#L1211 07:41 < icota> publish transaction is commented out. can you actually use neutrino nowadays 07:47 < molz> neutrino is not ready for mainnet 07:48 < icota> molz: i guess. my question is who broadcasts transactions in case you are using LND + neutrino 07:50 < molz> im not sure but neutrino still needs a full node which is btcd, either you run a btcd and connect neutrino to it or you have to connect to someone else's 07:51 -!- buhrmi 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I am just looking for the data. 08:46 < ln_byz> molz, if someone runs sufficient measurement nodes from various geographic locations, I think one can get a pretty good snapshot of the network. 08:46 < molz> nope 08:46 < molz> i don't think geo has anything to do with it 08:48 < ln_byz> I am guessing when someone runs the LN node, they get info about their peers from some seed node. And after that your peers gossip about channel and node announcement message. 08:49 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:51 < chujev> rompert probably remembers lots of nodes that went offline long ago 08:52 < molz> rompert opens a channel to just about every node to get the graph 08:52 < molz> currently my node can see less than 2k nodes 08:52 < molz> "num_nodes": 1764, 08:52 < molz> "num_channels": 5119, 08:53 < chujev> i have 1766 and 5111 08:53 < molz> yea we don't have the same numbers either 08:53 < molz> each node can only see part of the big elephant 08:55 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:00 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@178.197.231.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02 -!- iratemin [~iratemin@47-33-152-40.dhcp.knwc.wa.charter.com] has joined #lightning-dev 09:04 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 09:04 -!- irate_min [~iratemin@213.152.162.69] has joined #lightning-dev 09:06 < rompert> molz why do you always make me feel so promiscuous? 09:07 -!- bitonic-cjp [~bitonic-c@92-111-70-106.static.v4.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:07 -!- iratemin [~iratemin@47-33-152-40.dhcp.knwc.wa.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:09 -!- ln_byz [80087f99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.8.127.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:12 -!- Aliencorpse [~Aliencorp@2605:a601:b024:600:f8f2:3434:14c7:3cb8] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:14 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 09:14 < molz> lmao 09:19 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:24 -!- Aliencorpse [~Aliencorp@2605:a601:b024:600:18ef:d4b6:5e6:fd1c] has joined #lightning-dev 09:24 -!- icota [~igor@cpe-109-60-4-46.st3.cable.xnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:25 -!- ln_byz [8102b517@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.2.181.23] has joined #lightning-dev 09:25 < ln_byz> rompert, does rompert.com give a way to extract the information about the nodes and edeges? 09:26 < ln_byz> I would love to get hold of capacity information too, which is not available in the shabang export. 09:26 < molz> ln_byz, why? 09:27 < chujev> ln_byz: check out this site https://www.robtex.com/lightning/ 09:30 -!- icota [~igor@cpe-109-60-4-46.st3.cable.xnet.hr] has joined #lightning-dev 09:31 -!- orange_ [3ef58f1a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.245.143.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:31 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@178.197.231.202] has joined #lightning-dev 09:32 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@37.58.58.232] has joined #lightning-dev 09:34 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:34 -!- user___ [~user@80-109-245-48.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #lightning-dev 09:38 < ln_byz> chujev, thanks I'll see if there is an easy way to export the data to JSON. 09:38 < ln_byz> If it pleases molz highness, I am trying to run some network analysis on LN. And I really do not have the resources to setup a full node and measure the Lightning Network. Hence finding quick and dirty way to get the data. 09:39 < molz> ln_byz, ah, good luck, i guess this is for a uni assignment? 09:40 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@178.197.231.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 09:42 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lightning-dev 09:44 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:44 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@37.58.58.232] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 09:45 < ln_byz> Yeah univ research 09:51 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 09:56 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:59 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 10:00 -!- icota [~igor@cpe-109-60-4-46.st3.cable.xnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:01 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 10:03 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@178.197.231.140] has joined #lightning-dev 10:04 -!- icota [~igor@cpe-109-60-4-46.st3.cable.xnet.hr] has joined #lightning-dev 10:04 < rompert> robtex.com [currently] doesn't allow export of json 10:05 < rompert> but you can get some json at https://rompert.com/networkgraph if that helps 10:05 < rompert> ln_byz: ^ 10:06 < rompert> keep us posted about your analysis, i'm very curious 10:09 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] practicalswift opened pull request #416: Add missing space in command-line example (master...add-missing-space-in-command-line-example) https://git.io/vpZuD 10:10 < ln_byz> Thank you, rompert. This is exactly what I was looking for. 10:11 < ln_byz> Sure. Expect to see somemore plots along the lines of https://bitcoinvisuals.com/lightning/ 10:12 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:17 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:17 < rompert> ln_byz: cool. keep in mind that some channels and capacity you will never see. for instance when an eclair connects to a node, you will not see those channels. and also, not even rompert.com sees everything. 10:21 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 10:22 -!- riclas [~riclas@148.63.37.111] has joined #lightning-dev 10:22 -!- chujev [~chujev@vetr-0291.koleje.cuni.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:26 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:27 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 10:29 < ln_byz> Thanks for the heads up. Eclair nodes does not send node_announcement message? 10:29 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 10:32 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:37 -!- icota [~igor@cpe-109-60-4-46.st3.cable.xnet.hr] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:37 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@178.197.231.140] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 10:53 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:59 -!- ln_byz [8102b517@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.2.181.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:08 -!- user___ [~user@80-109-245-48.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: user___] 11:09 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 11:13 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:16 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DC47EE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lightning-dev 11:16 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[~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 17:08 < lndbot> @cdecker This visualizer lets you sort on active nodes: https://graph.lndexplorer.com/ and use the query `is_reachable=true` 17:09 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:09 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:26 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 17:30 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:47 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 17:49 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@xdsl-188-155-63-9.adslplus.ch] has quit [] 17:51 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:07 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 18:12 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:12 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:15 -!- riclas [~riclas@148.63.37.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:23 -!- chujev [~chujev@vetr-0291.koleje.cuni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:28 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 18:33 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:49 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 18:54 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:00 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ghost43, tombusby 19:02 -!- Netsplit over, joins: arubi 19:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: intcat 19:10 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 19:15 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:31 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 19:34 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has joined #lightning-dev 19:34 < ZmnSCPxj> Good morning orange_, in general, no. Preimage revelation is sufficient to claim funds, and payee knows preimage 19:35 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:36 < ZmnSCPxj> what your idea does not consider is, what if the hop node dies but the receiver successfully receives it? 19:37 < ZmnSCPxj> payer cannot safely make any attempt at all 19:37 < ZmnSCPxj> while it has an HTLC paying out for the preimage 19:38 < ZmnSCPxj> that HTLC has to be either claimed (in which case payment success) or failed (meaning it is destroyed) 19:38 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has quit [Client Quit] 19:48 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 19:48 -!- chujev [~chujev@vetr-0291.koleje.cuni.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 19:48 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 19:56 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:00 -!- jtimon [~quassel@142.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:13 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 20:18 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:32 -!- mholter [~mholter@87-100-133-142.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lightning-dev 20:34 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 20:37 -!- mholter [~mholter@87-100-133-142.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:38 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:55 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 21:00 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:16 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 21:20 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:34 -!- irate_minority [~iratemin@47-33-152-40.dhcp.knwc.wa.charter.com] has joined #lightning-dev 21:36 -!- iratemin [~iratemin@213.152.161.35] has joined #lightning-dev 21:36 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 21:37 -!- irate_min [~iratemin@213.152.162.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:38 -!- irate_minority [~iratemin@47-33-152-40.dhcp.knwc.wa.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:41 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:57 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 22:00 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 22:00 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 22:00 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 22:02 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 22:02 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:10 -!- mholter [~mholter@87-100-133-142.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lightning-dev 22:18 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 22:23 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:39 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 22:44 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:47 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yajttqzutqlytdwm] has joined #lightning-dev 22:57 -!- lxer [~lx@ip5f5bd657.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #lightning-dev 23:00 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 23:05 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:21 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 23:26 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:29 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has joined #lightning-dev 23:33 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@188.129.208.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:38 -!- r251d [~r251d@2600:1700:e350:37f0:f88b:f076:ca53:910a] has joined #lightning-dev 23:57 -!- r251d [~r251d@2600:1700:e350:37f0:f88b:f076:ca53:910a] has quit [Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com]