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nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 03:33 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 03:33 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] rustyrussell closed pull request #416: Add missing space in command-line example (master...add-missing-space-in-command-line-example) https://git.io/vpZuD 03:41 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 03:44 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 03:47 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:49 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@xdsl-188-155-63-9.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52 -!- Aaronvan_ is now known as AaronvanW 03:54 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 04:04 -!- belcher 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lightning-rfc , would it be enough if only bech32 is supported throughout 05:21 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:21 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 05:23 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:24 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 05:25 < molz> why wouldn't it be enough? 05:26 < blazon> molz, I am just guessing is some sort of compatibility required by using p2wsh-under-p2sh way 05:26 < blazon> if its enought great news, everything is simpler 05:29 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:29 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 05:33 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:33 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 05:34 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has 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Bolt11 prefix for regtest (master...master) https://git.io/vxZAK 13:30 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:35 -!- aj [aj@cerulean.erisian.com.au] has joined #lightning-dev 13:36 < nirved> cdecker: how long would it take to get SIGHASH_NOINPUT in core? 13:37 < cdecker> Hard to tell nirved, we know better than to make predictions on these after the non-controversial segwit update 13:37 < cdecker> :-) 13:39 < nirved> curious if it could happen this year 13:40 -!- lightningbot [~supybot@2400:8901::f03c:91ff:febb:bbc1] has joined #lightning-dev 13:40 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] rustyrussell pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vp0TE 13:40 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- lightning-rfc/master c2ced54 Carsten Otto: BOLT2: Rephrase channel establishment introduction... 13:43 < arubi> oh noinput is on topic, do you guys think it might be better to make its scriptcode just be a single push of the public key that's being fed into the checksig instead of just being 0x00 ? 13:45 < arubi> my thinking, with how it's set up right now, the thing being signed is not committing to any pubkey whatsoever. basically possible to produce valid signatures even when the discrete log is not known at all 13:45 < arubi> (although I didn't read through the eltoo doc yet, I might be missing context) 13:55 -!- StopAndDecrypt|L [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lightning-dev 13:58 < arubi> I take back my second point, the pubkey is still fed to the script itself, even though it's not signed so we have that. but still.. would it mess up the usefulness if the pubkey itself is placed in the sighash? 14:05 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:11 -!- dougsland [douglas@nat/redhat/x-siirpiqsutldazax] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:25 -!- nothingmuch [~user@213.152.162.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:26 -!- 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