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A is actually trading with D. 06:52 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:56 -!- Tulsene_ [uid52948@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-idvilmvigjwyrldh] has joined #lightning-dev 06:57 < lndbot> I feel like it can happen often if F reuses preimages 06:58 < lndbot> In that case though C may never commit to D 06:58 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 07:01 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 07:04 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:05 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 07:10 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:11 < bitonic-cjp> It can also happen (in my case) if F deliberately also sends the pre-image to D. 07:11 < bitonic-cjp> There happens to be a higher-level interest in doing that. 07:12 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 07:13 < bitonic-cjp> If D receives the pre-image long before the C-D time-out, then C has no choice. In case C doesn't cooperate, the C-D channel is dropped to chain, and D can access the HTLC funds on-chain. 07:21 -!- ZmnSCPxj [b4be3354@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.190.51.84] has joined #lightning-dev 07:21 < ZmnSCPxj> Good morning bitonic-cjp, assuming you mean that the entire circuit has been set up and HTLCs have been created between all nodes, no 07:22 < bitonic-cjp> no = nothing will go wrong? 07:22 < ZmnSCPxj> The HTLC that C offered to D is still valid for some number of blocks 07:22 < lndbot> Seems pretty safe if the htlcs are all locked in and F isn’t going to go offline 07:22 < ZmnSCPxj> and that number of blocks exceeds the timeout of the D->E HTLC 07:23 < ZmnSCPxj> So D can still claim its funds from C as soon as E claims from D 07:23 < molz> ZmnSCPxj, is it always morning where you are? 07:23 < ZmnSCPxj> nothing will go wrong 07:23 < ZmnSCPxj> Good morning molz, that is true, for some reason 07:24 < molz> lol 07:24 -!- ZmnSCPxj 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