--- Day changed Sat Jul 07 2018 00:05 < CubicEarths> Well, I have a channel with rompert. The channel has 66,000 sats in it, and only 1,199 on my side. 00:05 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05 < CubicEarths> and those 199 are from a yalls payout I just did 00:06 < CubicEarths> But now I am seeing "sathoshi to us max" as 1,199 00:06 < CubicEarths> So I am at that limit 00:06 < CubicEarths> But I don't think it is coincidence 00:08 < CubicEarths> If I had asked yalls to pay out 200 sats, I think it would have worked as well. 00:08 < CubicEarths> I suppose Rompert might have a policy or something 00:12 < rompert> who mentioned me and policy in the same sentence ? 00:12 < CubicEarths> lol 00:13 -!- whythat [~whythat@gateway/tor-sasl/whythat] has joined #lightning-dev 00:15 < rompert> @CubicEarths what wallet do you use that says "satoshi to us max" ? it seems the 1199 is on my side, not yours 00:15 < rompert> i have 7 channels with 66000 capacity, trying to find yours :) 00:16 < CubicEarths> its MobRule 00:16 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17 < CubicEarths> well now I was able to make an additional payment to myself from my acinq phone wallet, which was routed through Rompert 00:17 < rompert> https://www.robtex.com/lightning/channel/565887848531296256 found it 00:17 < CubicEarths> but yalls won't complete the payment for just 153 satohis 00:17 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 00:18 < rompert> for reference can you send 153 sat to moneni.com acinq wallet and withdraw it to mobrule ? 00:21 < rompert> on my direct channel to yalls the yalls side doesn't have much currently, but enough for 153 sat and it should be able to find other paths. the network is big now 00:24 < CubicEarths> my payment to moneni is 'pending' 00:25 < CubicEarths> Buy eclair thinks it is paid 00:29 < CubicEarths> rompert: it worked. I paied MobRule 143 sats from moneni.com, and it came through you 00:31 < rompert> was it pending for a long time? it should flash once it received the payment, but sometime that API subscription doesn't work. paper boy drives his bike off the road. but a simple reload should refresh the status instantly (i do tech for moneni as well) 00:33 < CubicEarths> it was pending until I sent a new payment. 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I hear different voices. LN supporters say it will work, the opponents say it will not work. is LN development based on solid basis like math and physics or is it something like "we will try and see what happends, maybe it will work or not..."? 11:54 <+roasbeef> CubicEarths: they could also have a fee limit, so if it's super small then they won't send if fees are like 10%, consider 1 sat fee on a 100 sat payment 12:00 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 12:01 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 12:04 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:04 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 12:06 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:17 < azi`> gunnn999: it is based on clever stuff of course 12:17 < azi`> gunnn999: see https://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper.pdf 12:19 < gunnn999> azi`: thx for the link i will read 12:20 < azi`> gunnn999: if you want a quick answer, I'd say that yes LN will work just fine and will scale 12:20 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@095-129-169-128-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:21 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-075-022-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 12:23 < gunnn999> your answer sounds like "I belive but I don't know". the better answe for me would be "yes, there is a mathematical based concept of solving problems of bitcoin based global and secure payment system and we just need to implement the solutions in right way". 12:23 < azi`> gunnn999: yes if you want to go that route you have the paper there 12:24 < gunnn999> ok 12:24 < molz> azi`, that paper is very outdated, this is where we're at: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/00-introduction.md 12:24 < azi`> gunnn999: by testing the implementation nad having a overview of the math behind it I'd say its gonna work but you can never be sure until things are well tested 12:25 < azi`> molz: thanks 12:26 < azi`> gunnn999: also speaking from a technical point of view, having a layerd solution is the way to go too 12:26 < azi`> gunnn999: every successul engeneering project is in some sense layered like that 12:28 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 12:33 -!- vtnerd [~Lee@173-23-103-30.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:36 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:39 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 12:42 -!- vtnerd [~Lee@173-23-103-30.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lightning-dev 12:44 -!- nodweber 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