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[~e4xit@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46 < fiatjaf> a monero sidechain? 02:46 < fiatjaf> why can monero do sidechains and bitcoin don't? 02:56 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 02:56 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@110.140.174.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:57 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@110.140.174.10] has joined #lightning-dev 03:07 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:10 < ysangkok> but liquid is a sidechain, no? 03:13 -!- e4xit [~e4xit@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 03:27 -!- pheizax [~pheizax@188.43.8.139] has joined #lightning-dev 03:32 -!- pheizax [~pheizax@188.43.8.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:44 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.102.198.243] has joined #lightning-dev 03:44 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.102.198.243] has quit [Changing host] 03:44 -!- shesek 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10:01 < fiatjaf> ysangkok, or you could argue that they are, but they're trusted and centralized 10:01 < fiatjaf> if you still consider them to be fitting as sidechains, then coinbase and kraken are sidechains too 10:11 -!- Tux26 [~Tux@2a01cb0081e732002ac68efffe34d574.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 10:12 -!- Tux26 [~Tux@2a01cb0081e732002ac68efffe34d574.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:14 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:23 < molz> fiatjaf, "Liquid is a commercial sidechain that combines Confidential Transactions and several other Elements to provide high-speed transactions between Bitcoin Exchanges." 10:23 < molz> https://elementsproject.org/sidechains/liquid/ 10:23 < molz> but anyways, you guys can take this convo to channel #sidechains-dev and have it sorted out there 10:25 -!- roy [~grouver@a80-100-203-151.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:35 -!- dougsland 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CPFP may be another option. 14:59 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 15:02 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:03 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 15:19 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 15:21 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:22 -!- cryptapus [~cryptapus@unaffiliated/cryptapus] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:23 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:25 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-54-17.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #lightning-dev 15:25 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-54-17.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:25 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 15:26 -!- cryptapus [~cryptapus@jupiter.osmus.org] has joined 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a program that allows you to tunnel unix pipes over http ... sec 20:43 < rusty> roasbeef: just got my implementation of option_dataloss_protect working. That part of the spec did my head in! Badly need test vectors :( 20:43 <+roasbeef> rusty: nice! test vectors for? 20:44 <+roasbeef> we have some behavirial integration tests between two nodes, where one loses data, would be nice to eventully also port to the cross impl integration tests 20:44 <+roasbeef> one step at a time tho... 20:44 < rusty> roasbeef: we've talked for a long time about having canned "conversations" to accompany the spec; in this case I was trying to figure out whether I was sending the wrong point or checking the wrong point... 20:45 <+roasbeef> ahh gotcha 20:45 < rusty> roasbeef: of course, it was a bit of both, as I tried to fix it I broke both ends at different times :) 20:49 -!- state_bits [~state_bit@206.189.69.225] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb1 - http://znc.in] 21:05 -!- bitconner [~conner@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:07 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 21:10 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 21:39 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 21:44 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:52 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:08 -!- aschildbach_ [~aschildba@2a01:c23:6416:8d00:f578:744a:1a83:c039] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2605:a601:b021:f00:5992:9d3b:5cf9:e07a] has joined #lightning-dev 22:17 -!- boredguy [~boredguy@softbank060109030002.bbtec.net] has joined #lightning-dev 22:18 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2605:a601:b021:f00:5992:9d3b:5cf9:e07a] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:21 -!- boredguy [~boredguy@softbank060109030002.bbtec.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@162-227-162-49.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev 23:03 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 23:29 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@162-227-162-49.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:32 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@162-227-162-49.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev 23:37 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@162-227-162-49.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:37 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:46 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@162-227-162-49.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev 23:49 -!- jtimon [~quassel@213.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:50 -!- Peetz0r10 [~Peetz0r@175.215.90.30] has joined #lightning-dev 23:52 -!- Peetz0r10 [~Peetz0r@175.215.90.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]