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03:16 < ThomasV> does c-lightning allow query_short_channel_ids on a non-public channel?
03:17 < ThomasV> cdecker ^
03:17 < ThomasV> rusty: ^
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03:23 < ThomasV> see https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/1347 for context
03:26 < ThomasV> roasbeef: ^
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05:14 < cdecker> ThomasV: c-lightning will send a channel_update as per spec and will consider the private channels for route hints
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05:16 < ThomasV> cdecker: did you see the lnd issue?
05:16 < cdecker> query_short_channel_ids must not forward private channels (they are completely meaningless if not preceeded by an announcement)
05:17 < ghost43> sure but in this specific case they would be valuable
05:17 < cdecker> Returning private channels as part of a query_short_channels_ids request is a privacy leak, so this works as expected
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05:18 < cdecker> We will send a channel_update with our parameters for our shared channel on establishment, no need to query for it
05:19 < ThomasV> cdecker: the issue is, we cannot guarantee the receiver will be online when channel_update is sent
05:19 < ThomasV> so we were proposing to use the query mechanism as a workaround
05:20 < ghost43> this could be special cased, just like sending the channel_update without the channel_announcement for private channels is a special case already
05:20 < ghost43> for query_short_channel_ids I mean
05:20 < ghost43> even if you send the channel_update, detecting that it's for our private channel is prone to a race condition
05:21 < ghost43> the only way we can tell it's for our private channel, is by realising the short_channel_id is for own channel
05:21 < ghost43> but if the remote node realises that faster and sends it first
05:21 < ghost43> we might not yet know it
05:22 < ghost43> and we cannot just keep all channel_update messages in memory waiting around just for this case, if there were not corresponding channel_announcements
05:22 < ghost43> as then that would be a DOS vector
05:24 < ghost43> this race can very easily happen with electrum: you start opening a private channel with a remote node, then you go offline. you come online after the funding txn is already deeply mined. the remote ln peer sends you the channel_update only once as soon as you come online, but at that point it's a race whether you already can tell that the short_channel_id is for your channel
05:28 < ghost43> but the immediate problem that lnd does not even send it *at all* in this case, ever
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05:34 < ThomasV> cdecker: just saw that lnd has a PR for sending channel_update if you come online after the channel has matured
05:35 < ThomasV> how does c-lightning behave in that case?
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05:57 < cdecker> Same with c-lightning, we'll tell you after confirmation or reconnect about our side of the channel
05:57 < cdecker> You won't forward it because it's local, but still get the required info
05:57 < ThomasV> ok, thanks
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