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17:41 < hrofu> Can anyone tell me why HTLC's have a 3-day `lifespan` (for lack of a better word)
17:41 < hrofu> is this arbitrary or is there reasoning behind it?
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18:14 <+roasbeef> hrofu: arbitrary-ish 
18:14 <+roasbeef> what matters is the a time lock delta between each hop 
18:14 <+roasbeef> 3 days (with a 1 day delta) is just used as the cannonical example 
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18:28 < hrofu> roasbeef: got it. Is this an arbitrary value for both the HTLC's as well as any invoices that need to `expire`?
18:28 < hrofu> or is that less time
18:28 < hrofu> I'd assume it's less since they need to be unique and there's a large surface for attack there?
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18:44 < hrofu> /2
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19:34 <+roasbeef> hrofu: basically you need time between the incoming and outgoing htlc's 
19:34 <+roasbeef> so you can handle the outgoing one (in the worst case on chain), before the incoming one expires 
19:36 <+roasbeef> hrofu: in the protocol, nodes can pick this value to their liking 
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19:38 < hrofu> very interesting
19:38 < hrofu> I'll dig a little deeper myself
19:38 < hrofu> thanks for the clarifications
19:38 <+roasbeef> hrofu: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/07-routing-gossip.md#recommendations-for-routing
19:39 <+roasbeef> a routing example that takes this into account 
19:44 < hrofu> perfect
19:44 < hrofu> was going through the third BOLT now
19:44 < hrofu> so guess I just needed time to read them all to get a better understanding
19:44 < hrofu> cheers
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22:15 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] rustyrussell closed pull request #478: BOLT 1: Reply to unknown channels with an error (master...error-unknown-channel) https://git.io/fAo9U
22:16 -92AAAT6WT:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] rustyrussell closed pull request #481: Make unit explicit encoded in BOLT11 invoice (master...explicit_unit_bolt_11) https://git.io/fAD49
22:16 -07IAAMKAT:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] rustyrussell pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fxaa5
22:16 -07IAAMKAT:#lightning-dev- lightning-rfc/master 25a9deb Chris Stewart: Make unit explicit encoded in BOLT11 invoice...
22:17 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] rustyrussell closed pull request #485: gossip: clarify what it means to 'discard a channel' (master...use-consistent-term-for-channel-failure) https://git.io/fxvSn
22:18 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] rustyrussell pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fxaVm
22:18 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- lightning-rfc/master bca814e Rusty Russell: BOLT 4: final_incorrect_htlc_amount should be 64-bits....
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