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13:10 < stevenroose> what kind of sub-satoshi values are talked about? would implementing an Amount type based on msat be sufficient future-proofing? or perhaps usat?
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15:50 < cdecker> stevenroose: we were talking about whether to keep msats or only do satoshis, the decision in the end was to keep msats
15:50 < cdecker> No plans for smaller fractions
15:53 < molz> cdecker, oh.. so the summit decision is to keep msat?  :|
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16:14 < gertjaap> Anything below sat is essentially trusted. So the trust model wouldn’t change if you break it down into even smaller fractions
16:15 < gertjaap> There was a suggestion on the mailing list on how to mitigate trust issues by using a certain fee rate and minimum htlc size which I think works if you don’t like msats
16:16 < gertjaap> Will look into that more
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16:18 < molz> gertjaap, why "below sat is essentially trusted"?
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16:19 < gertjaap> You can’t enforce it on chain. Bitcoin doesn’t support msats
16:19 < molz> yes we all know that
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16:20 < gertjaap> Okay, then how is a received msat in a channel really yours? The commitment tx contains your sat balance rounded down.
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16:21 < molz> gertjaap, it's the software that you use, is it open source? do you trust it? if you don't, don't use it?
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16:22 < gertjaap> It’s not really about the software. I have to trust the peer I interact with
16:22 < molz> eh
16:22 < gertjaap> They can close at will
16:25 < gertjaap> Btw, I’d gladly continue debating but I only have a couple hours left to discover Adelaide while I’m here.. flying back tonight. I’ll be around next week tho. :)
16:25 < molz> no, there's no "debate" here lol
16:25 < molz> and im done
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