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03:35 < rusty> roasbeef: weird one, https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/2686.  My node is super slow, and lnd may have issues with msgs getting stuck behind gossip flood...
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08:37 < gpestana> hey, where can I find the email and PGP key for security disclosures? the info on https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd#security is not working..
08:41 < gpestana> it seems that the MIT PGP Public Key Server is broken
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11:19 < ianthius> This is a pretty convincing article: https://www.yours.org/content/-amp--doesn-t-solve-lightning-network-s-liquidity-issue-f3d329f2c2ff
11:19 < ianthius> is the rebuttal that we will just need more liquidity in general and higher channel amounts to make larger and larger payments successful?
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11:22 < ianthius> It would seem that even though there is an inverse relationship with transaction size and success rate, that perhaps the networks overall liquidity will rise as channel amounts are increased. Also curious, when will we be lifting limits on channel sizes? is there a reason they are in place besides trying to ensure people don't risk too much? Maybe that kind of hand holding is unneccessary?
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11:36 < molz> ianthius, you are free to create many nodes and put all your life's savings in those nodes though, no one can stop you :P 
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14:15 < ianthius> molz: i think there are currently channel limits though and the size of individual channels limitis the number of satoshis that you can send over the network. If i take my life savings and open 1000 $10usd value channels with it you can still only send 10 over LN
14:15 < ianthius> until we have AMP
14:16 < molz> not many people want to spend more than 10 bucks though, fyi
14:17 < ianthius> The point of the article I posted, is that the probablity of making an AMP payment is the probability of all of those payments together needing to succeed
14:17 < ianthius> molz: when onchain fees rise back to fork-era levels people will want to make larger payments 
14:18 < molz> and currently you can open a channel at the max which is worth $661.8 USD at this moment, how many people do you know would spend this much on lightning or just park their btc there 
14:18 < ianthius> my question is should we take the arbitarty limits off channel sizes to prepare for the need to have larger sized channels for the inevitable rise of fees in the next bull market
14:20 < ianthius> molz: That's a good max, i wasn't sure where we were at. I thought it was lower than that. Although ideally to make a $600 payment the largest channels would need to be much larger than $600 to have a reliable option for payments that large, given the inverse relationship displayed in that graph in the article.
14:20 < molz> not sure if i would read anything from yours.org
14:22 < ianthius> molz, i think the chart is accurate, doesn't matter where it comes from if it's true.
14:23 < ianthius> It makes sense that the reliability of payments would be inversely related to payment size. that is obvious, at least it seems obvious, i could be missing something.
14:23 < ianthius> You have thousands of channels that are worth 1000 sats, but only a dozen or so that are 1000000 sats, for example.
14:24 < ianthius> (made up numbers to illustrate the point)
14:27 < molz> i think you were absent for a long time? we don't have dust channels at 1000 sat anymore afaik
14:27 < molz> or at least lnd got rid of them
14:29 < ianthius> molz: those were merely an example to illustrate the point of the graph
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14:38 < molz> yea in their eyes, LN is vapourware, centralized, routing doesn't work, and now what? amp doesn't work? .. ok 
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14:50 < ianthius> molz: you are very focused on who is talking here instead of the point of my question. I think AMP is great and I am sure it will help a lot, but the main poit that is being expressed here seems valid. However, the goal of AMP might now be increased reliability of payments but more the ability to make some payments at all if YOU don't ahve teh channel size to make a payment.. so there are benefits 
14:50 < ianthius> even if it doesn't dramatically improve the reliabiliyt of a given sized payment..
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16:51 < ianthius> *not be increased realiability
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