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07:04 < ariard> Substantial increase in onchain transaction fee between time of channel opening and its closing eating all value locked, channels don't have expiration date
07:06 < molz> not enough fuds
07:06 < molz> try again
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07:12 < aj> arowser: if both channel balances are less than dust_limit_satoshis, txout count would be 0 (though that's not a legal transaction anyway...)
07:14 < molz> aj, the txout would be swept into the tx fee?
07:15 < molz> so we wouldn't have a txout for 0.00 btc, i guess it's confusing a bit
07:16 < aj> molz: you can't have a txout with a value less than the dust limit (it won't propogate)
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07:24 < molz> right, so if you receive an htlc amt less than the dust level that htlc will be swept into the closing tx fee
07:25 < aj> if your channel balance was zero beforehand, yeah
07:25 < molz> yes
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17:10 < warren> roasbeef: bitcoin-dev and a few smaller lists will be moved to groups.io for mailing list management and future posting. Searchable archive permalinks will be at https://bitcoinprotocol.dev and people can easily git clone their own local copy.  
17:11 < warren> Lightning as a community can choose to do the same thing, in which case you don't need to do anything except post to a different e-mail address and new admin accounts will be setup for the lightning lists. You can also have more lists if you want.
17:12 < warren> roasbeef: alternatively the Linux Foundation offers discourse forum if you want that instead
17:12 < warren> or the lightning community can move to their own self-hosted solution
17:14 < warren> We explored self-hosting solutions but the open source mailing list managers are really bad, there's a non-trivial amount of effort to maintain a MTA these days and not get blacklisted, and the bitcoin lists have been under constant DoS attack for months, so persons who were considering self-hosting bitcoin-dev didn't want to deal with it. LF doesn't care about DoS attacks on the new infrastructure because they "get attacked all the time".
17:16 < warren> roasbeef: so please ask around ... do you want LF to host the existing list alongside bitcoin-dev? Do you want more lists for different projects? do you want announce lists? Do you want a forum instead?  
17:21 < warren> actually forum would be harder because the bitcoin-devs were not enthusiastic about that option
17:52 < warren> hmm has rusty seen the above?
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