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otherwise you will have to figure out your own plan for moving off linuxfoundation. 09:26 < warren> rusty isn't online 10:14 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:28 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 10:45 -!- jungly [~quassel@79.8.200.97] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56 -!- enemabandit [~enemaband@185.227.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:54 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@139.28.218.6] has joined #lightning-dev 12:44 -!- sgeisler [~quassel@x8d1ee20a.agdsn.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20 -!- ianthius [~ianthius@unaffiliated/ianthius] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:46 -!- ianthius [~ianthius@unaffiliated/ianthius] has joined #lightning-dev 13:56 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:00 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:23 -!- shesek [~shesek@151.64.2.189] has joined #lightning-dev 14:23 -!- shesek [~shesek@151.64.2.189] has quit [Changing host] 14:23 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 15:23 -!- darosior [~darosior@92.184.101.70] has joined #lightning-dev 15:44 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lightning-dev 16:02 -!- darosior [~darosior@92.184.101.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:15 -!- darosior [~darosior@37.164.226.145] has joined #lightning-dev 16:47 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:00 -!- darosior [~darosior@37.164.226.145] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 19:30 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:35 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 20:16 < warren> roasbeef: rusty: Please see this channel archives in the last few days, the lightning-dev community needs to decide if they will follow bitcoin-dev in the list migration or do something different. Migration begins sometime next week. 20:16 < warren> It's explained in detail above. Making no decision is fine, in that case I need to know who to whom to give new list admin credentials. 20:20 < rusty> warren: I have well-running lists which I can switch over to, but will ping the admin before. I doubt people want to remove the dev list. 20:24 < warren> rusty: according to LF they tried for years to fix problems in mailman2 after upstream was dead. They also tried migration to mailman3 which was hated, "buggy and too slow to be usable" with huge lists. So they warned us late-2017 we had to choose what to do next. They offer groups.io or discourse hosting where they cover the cost or we can move our projects elsewhere. Recently it's been breaking often because the bitcoin-dev list has been 20:24 < warren> under DoS attack. They fixed it this past weekend by disabling bounces I think but that isn't good, it's a band-aid to help us migrate smoothly. They want to turn it off and into only perma archives. 20:25 < warren> Someone else was considering the burden of self-hosting and maintaining mailman2 despite the dead upstream but he decided not to after hearing about the DoS attacks. 20:25 < warren> LF said they're willing to deal with DoS attacks on the new list infra. 20:28 < warren> rusty: note the above open source tool public-inbox, it's really good for perma-archives going forward. It allowed others to tolerate the list posting mechanism being groups.io because the "real list" will be public-inbox permalinks which is also nicely git cloneable and searchable. 20:31 -!- m-schmoock [~will@schmoock.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51 < rusty> warren: I ahve no experience with groups.io... wonder if it's going to be great until they go udner, like the previous archive we had for IRC. 20:52 < warren> rusty: with public-inbox at least the archives will live on to the next host if we're forced to move 20:52 < warren> as permalinks 21:12 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:14 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:21 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 21:37 < rusty> warren: I'll raise it on-list, but I think groups.io migration is simplest, TBH. 21:44 -!- shesek [~shesek@93-38-48-98.ip69.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lightning-dev 21:44 -!- shesek [~shesek@93-38-48-98.ip69.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Changing host] 21:44 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 21:47 < warren> rusty: that was my determination because open source mailing list managers have really lagged behind, and open source spam filters require tweaking, I was the last remaining of upstream spamassassin for years and gave up maintaining it while getting no help from the community so I personally don't want to go back to self-hosting. 21:47 < rusty> warren: mail sent. 21:47 < warren> we should be focusing on Bitcoin, not maintaining mundane infra 21:53 -!- Woodsy [~Woodsy@101.161.80.236] has quit [] 22:04 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:10 -!- robzon [~robzon@037008237243.warszawa.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:10 -!- robzon [~robzon@037008237243.warszawa.vectranet.pl] has joined #lightning-dev 23:12 < midnightmagic> dspam still works well. 23:12 < midnightmagic> .. just.. like.. btw. 23:13 < midnightmagic> I wonder what rusty uses for his ML. 23:41 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev --- Log closed Sat Mar 16 00:00:17 2019