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03:57 < cdecker> Yep, still fightning a bit against the RPC change that eclair had recently, but things are looking better now
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18:01 < rusty> bitconner: hmm, can you give me some node ids you control and I'll connect my test node to see if we can get both sides of the sync error?
18:01 < rusty> (BTW, updated the PR with details, since I reproduced yay!0
18:05 < bitconner> rusty: success!! sure i'll dm them to you and take a look at the updated r
18:05 < bitconner> pr
18:06 < rusty> bitconner: interestingly, they seem to have recovered after a few minutes, which is weird.  Checking to see if I lost any channels now..
18:07 < bitconner> also to clarify, you want testnet or mainnet nodeid?
18:07 < rusty> bitconner: this is my mainnet node...
18:08 < bitconner> awesome, coming right up
18:11 < rusty> Confirmed, all channels now live and in state normal, no lossage at all.
18:12 < rusty> bitconner: funded... once it's confirmed I'll force a reconnect see if we can get it upset.
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18:14 < bitconner> *it's working*
18:14 < bitconner> gonna crank up my logs
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19:15 < bitconner> rusty: one more conf!
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19:25 < rusty> bitconner: disconnecting...
19:27 < rusty> bitconner: hmm, no sync error.  OK, restarting node entirely.
19:27 < bitconner> yep all good on this end
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19:31 < ghost43> just saw this mail: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2019-July/002093.html -- what is the simple heuristic Electrum could support? maybe I am missing something :)
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19:36 < bitconner> that one also looks clean
19:37 < rusty> bitconner: hmm, this is weird.  Any idea what lnd version lnbig is running?
19:37 < rusty> bitconner: GOT IT
19:38 < bitconner> yep!
19:38 < rusty> Weird delay though...
19:39 < bitconner> Failing link: unable to synchronize channel states: didn't receive ChannelReestablish before deadline
19:39 < bitconner> so we do send sync error if we don't receive it promptly, hmm
19:40 < rusty> bitconner: weird... sent at 2019-07-31T02:36:57.115Z, then announcement_signatures at 2019-07-31T02:37:01.243Z, 
19:41 < rusty> Like, it's literally the first thing we sent you after INIT.  (Well, there may be gossip msgs in there which we don't log by default)
19:43 < bitconner> so i see us receiving it, but much later
19:43 < bitconner> let me get some timestamps
19:44 < rusty> Hmm, valgrind slows things down, but you're not behind a massive surge of gossip or anything that I know of.
19:45  * rusty checks when we actually log that msg...
19:45 < bitconner> 2019-07-31 02:35:58.066 [DBG] PEER: Sending ChannelReestablish
19:45 < bitconner> 2019-07-31 02:36:28.170 [DBG] PEER: Sending Error
19:45 < bitconner> 2019-07-31 02:36:48.337 [DBG] PEER: Received ChannelReestablish
19:46 < bitconner> 2019-07-31 02:36:50.457 [DBG] PEER: Received AnnounceSignatures
19:46 < bitconner> 2019-07-31 02:36:50.461 [DBG] PEER: Sending ChannelAnnouncement
19:46 < bitconner> so i got your channel reest about 50s after connection
19:47 < bitconner> s/connection/sending
19:49 < rusty> 2019-07-31T02:36:22.526Z Peer has reconnected, state CHANNELD_NORMAL... 2019-07-31T02:36:57.115Z  peer_out WIRE_CHANNEL_REESTABLISH
19:49 < rusty> So yes, we have > 30 seconds between the two events here as well.
19:51 < rusty> fork and exec under valgrind is *slow*, especially as after restart we often end up connecting to all the peers at once.
19:52 < rusty> And one of my two vcpus is nailed to the wall with gossip processing, because we still ask for the last 24 hours of gossip from three peers.
19:52 < bitconner> currently our timer for giving up on a channel is 30s if we don't receive a channel reestablish, so that explains how we can repro
19:53 < rusty> bitconner: Yeah, I bet the user who saw 40 (!) channel closes at once was hitting a similar issue.  Stampeding herd on restart.
19:53 < bitconner> could probably bump that on our end
19:54 < bitconner> don't think it would hurt
19:54 < rusty> bitconner: we need soft errors for this kind of thing, TBH.  At the moment you can really only close connection for these cases, but that's a bit rude.
19:54 < bitconner> we ended up adding a flag for big nodes that will stagger the reconnects across 30s to prevent resource contention on startup
19:55 < rusty> bitconner: was just about to suggest the same kind of thing.
19:56 < bitconner> rusty: yeah we could probably be returning a more descriptive error there as well, e.g. failed to receive reestablish promptly
19:56 < bitconner> we don't close the connection because there could be other channels open at the time that did succeed in getting a reest
19:56 < rusty> bitconner: please leave the string "sync error" in there, as that's literally what we search for in our workaround :)
19:56 < bitconner> rusty: copy that :)
19:56 < rusty> bitconner: yeah, hence the idea of a soft error.
19:57 < bitconner> iirc roasbeef has a proposal in the works for error codes
19:57 < rusty> Yeah, that's more for end-to-end errors, this is kinda simpler.  Select the next unused even code, make it a soft erorr.  Old clients will hangup confused when that happens.
19:57 < bitconner> crossing my fingers that this has been the issue and not some weird disagreement on commitment points...
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19:58 < rusty> bitconner: yeah, it made me write protocol tests for all the reconnect & retransmission cases when I first saw this bug!  But that didn't explain why so many nodes returned it at once, and this does.
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19:59  * bitconner gets champagne glasses
20:00 < bitconner> looking rn through past prs to see why 30s was chosen
20:00 < rusty> Nice, it's a relief that the network isn't going to bifircate over this...
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20:04 < bitconner> indeed, we haz interop!
20:05 < bitconner> couldn't find anyting about why 30s, will make a pr to bump that to be more tolerant of this initial start up case
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20:15 < rusty> bitconner: I'm going to randomize our start times, add a second per peer.  But I'm going to run my node without valgrind and just see where it's taking the time first.
20:19 < bitconner> nice!
20:19 < bitconner> fwiw we found it useful to let the first n=10 go through undelayed to ensure that _some_ connectivity is establishied quickly
20:20 < bitconner> 7db232ea7 [increase-reest-timeout] htlcswitch/link: tHiS sHoUlD bE hIgH eNoUgH  
20:20 < rusty> bitconner: yeah, I think that's wise.
20:21 < rusty> bitconner: I promise after the 0.7.2 release, I'll do something sensible with gossip, too.
20:21 < rusty> Then we can change the filter semantics.
20:23 < bitconner> sounds good to me :) it's also a catch-22 since atm there isn't a great way to request node_announcements
20:24 < bitconner> but down the road hopefully it's all inv/request based instead of dumped
20:26 < rusty> bitconner: yeah, my plan is that if we see a channel_update for an unknown channel, we ask for a range of scids around that block.  If we see more we don't know, we start asking for wider and wider ranges.  This should work OK since we cache deleted ids already.
20:26 < rusty> Obv if we're starting up first time we'll simply ask for everything, though.
20:31 < bitconner> rusty: that makes sense to me. at some point we started forcing a full sync using query_channel_range before setting a gossip timestamp with any peer. if you've already synced, it's a noop, but if you haven't you'll get everything. then the filters always set start=now
20:37 < bitconner> rusty: if we had spontaneous payments i would send you some sats for all those DO bills :P
20:41 <+roasbeef> ooo, nice work y'all! happy to get to the botton of that  
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