--- Log opened Thu Sep 05 00:00:01 2019 00:00 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 00:02 < rusty> lndbot: alexbosworth: just sent mail to list on gossip limiting, you're one of the few users with enough info to tell me if the (ambitious) limits in there are too tight... 00:05 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:18 -!- kam270 [~kam270@183.182.104.69] has joined #lightning-dev 00:22 -!- kam270 [~kam270@183.182.104.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:36 -!- kam270 [~kam270@115.84.117.77] has joined #lightning-dev 00:37 -!- kam270 [~kam270@115.84.117.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a02:ed0:530f:9500:12:e248:f61d:de31] has joined #lightning-dev 00:49 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 00:52 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has joined #lightning-dev 00:55 -!- Amperture [~amp@24.136.5.183] has joined #lightning-dev 00:58 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 01:01 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:13 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a02:ed0:530f:9500:12:e248:f61d:de31] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:15 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:26 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 01:34 -!- shesek [~shesek@188.64.207.219] has joined #lightning-dev 01:34 -!- shesek [~shesek@188.64.207.219] has quit [Changing host] 01:34 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 01:36 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:42 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 01:58 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has joined #lightning-dev 02:16 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@188.64.206.231] has joined #lightning-dev 02:22 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:27 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@188.64.206.231] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 02:29 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@188.64.206.231] has joined #lightning-dev 02:35 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:37 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@188.64.206.231] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 02:40 -!- noxx [~noxx@p200300E6172A19002C58507036EFC0BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lightning-dev 02:40 -!- noxx [~noxx@p200300E6172A19002C58507036EFC0BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:42 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@188.64.206.231] has joined #lightning-dev 02:51 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@188.64.206.231] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 02:51 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@188.64.206.231] has joined #lightning-dev 02:57 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@188.64.206.231] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 02:58 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@188.64.206.231] has joined #lightning-dev 03:15 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@188.64.206.231] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 03:19 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 03:31 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@static-84-9-17-116.vodafonexdsl.co.uk] has joined #lightning-dev 03:39 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:40 -!- riclas [~riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 03:55 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 03:56 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 04:14 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@static-84-9-17-116.vodafonexdsl.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:32 -!- ironbutt [~LiberLive@144.49.211.130.bc.googleusercontent.com] has joined #lightning-dev 04:38 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 04:49 < cdecker> One option that we might implement eventually is to splice out HTLCs that are about to time out: close the channel, split the HTLC out of our state, and reopen a new channel sans that HTLC in the same TX 04:50 < backpacker69> is there timestamp information in htlcs? 04:50 < cdecker> That'd keep the channel operational, minimize the on-chain footprint (not all currently active HTLCs end up on-chain and can still be settled off-chain) 04:50 < cdecker> The HTLC timeout transactions are timelocked, giving you a deadline until which you need to settle them 04:59 -!- vtnerd [~Lee@173-23-103-30.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:59 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has joined #lightning-dev 04:59 -!- vtnerd [~Lee@173-23-103-30.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lightning-dev 05:02 < aj> cdecker: why would you ever want to settle an htlc on-chain if your peer's being cooperative enough to do splicing? 05:13 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 05:17 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:20 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has quit [Quit: harrigan] 05:21 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has joined #lightning-dev 05:23 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has joined #lightning-dev 05:36 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:43 -!- noxx [~noxx@p200300E6172A190028734AC8F0714FD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lightning-dev 05:44 -!- noxx [~noxx@p200300E6172A190028734AC8F0714FD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 05:46 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has quit [Quit: harrigan] 06:33 -!- riclas [~riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:53 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 07:01 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:09 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #lightning-dev 07:13 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:15 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #lightning-dev 08:01 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:07 -!- treehug88 [~textual@pool-173-56-75-234.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08 -!- treehug88 [~textual@pool-173-56-75-234.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:00 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12 < cdecker> Good question, if the CLTV delta turns out to be too tiny? 09:13 -!- BlockX [588186c3@h88-129-134-195.cust.a3fiber.se] has joined #lightning-dev 09:16 -!- BlockX [588186c3@h88-129-134-195.cust.a3fiber.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:19 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #lightning-dev 09:28 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:37 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:46 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:49 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #lightning-dev 09:51 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 09:52 < lndbot> looks good to me, although maybe it’s not a one-size-fits-all type of problem 09:53 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:56 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:12 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 10:12 -!- riclas [riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 10:24 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #lightning-dev 10:32 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 12:25 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:28 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 12:31 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44 -!- reallll is now known as belcher 12:56 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:54 -!- so [~so@unaffiliated/so] has joined #lightning-dev 14:01 -!- richcollins [~richcolli@c-76-103-74-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 14:01 < richcollins> Can anyone help me with this error that I get after upgrading? 14:01 < richcollins> “Unable to open channeldb: unexpected EOF 14:01 < richcollins> " 14:01 < richcollins> https://pastebin.com/g6jkQwtp 14:02 < lndbot> If it’s for lnd you could post details on the lnd repo github issues 14:03 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 14:05 < richcollins> will do 14:08 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 14:09 < bitconner> richcollins: sounds like you're on master, check out v0.7.1-beta and then install again 14:09 < richcollins> bitconner: Thanks I just saw that someone posted the same issue 15 hrs ago 14:09 < richcollins> Working now :-) 14:09 < bitconner> awesome :0 14:09 < bitconner> :) 14:25 -!- richcollins [~richcolli@c-76-103-74-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: richcollins] 14:28 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:47 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 15:14 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:30 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 15:37 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:45 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:13 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 16:27 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:29 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 16:33 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:02 -!- Amperture [~amp@24.136.5.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:04 -!- Amperture [~amp@65.79.129.113] has joined #lightning-dev 17:11 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 17:21 -!- shesek [~shesek@188.64.206.231] has joined #lightning-dev 17:21 -!- shesek [~shesek@188.64.206.231] has quit [Changing host] 17:21 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 17:31 -!- riclas [riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:38 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:58 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 18:12 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:13 < lndbot> For gossip limitations I would maybe relate it to channels rather than node ids since channels have a cost and node ids have no cost. You shouldn’t gain a fee flexibility advantage by splitting up your node identity into shards 18:19 < rusty> alexbosworth: you get one per day per channel direction, and one per day per node. Since you have to have one channel per node, there's still a cost, but node announcements don't offer any fee flexibility. 18:19 < lndbot> Oh the node announcement just applies to node updates 18:20 < lndbot> So yeah that makes sense then 18:21 < rusty> alexbosworth: my main concern is: is 1 per day too fascist? 18:22 < rusty> On the one hand, I'm not sure we want to encourage fine-grained fee sniping, on the other hand, we don't want real information to lag too badly. 18:25 < lndbot> I think one issue is that there are some nodes you don’t care about their updates and other nodes you care a lot about, and there are some nodes that can listen to a lot of updates and other nodes can’t listen to very many 18:29 < lndbot> Since it’s a broadcast, you could potentially just have something like the fee-filter which tells your peer that you only want 1 per day and they would just only give you 1 per day, and if that is too much or too little, the filter could go up or down? 18:53 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 19:26 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:45 < rusty> alexbosworth: it's probably easier to start with blanket guidelines then relax. For example, we might allow more common updates for larger channels in future, based on some heuristics. 19:48 < lndbot> I also wonder if the rules should change based on what type of update 19:49 < lndbot> One thing I notice is that some nodes are just flapping on and off disable flag: like this channel: https://yalls.org/network/573314x1581x0 19:49 < lndbot> Lots of the updates we get are just these on/off 19:57 < rusty> alexbosworth: yeah! c-lightning got aggressive about restricting those a while ago. This next release makes us even more so. I wonder what bolzern is running... 20:06 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:19 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 20:30 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 20:34 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:50 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lightning-dev 20:58 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:59 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has joined #lightning-dev 21:07 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:08 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@107.181.189.43] has joined #lightning-dev 21:08 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@107.181.189.43] has quit [Changing host] 21:08 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lightning-dev 21:12 -!- inara [~inara@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14 -!- inara [~inara@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lightning-dev 22:09 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@107.181.189.45] has joined #lightning-dev 22:09 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] --- Log closed Fri Sep 06 00:00:02 2019