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04:09 < phwalkr>  Is the 2016 paper (https://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper.pdf) outdated or conversely are its details all in the box now?
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04:41 < phwalkr> In your view how standardized is Lightning now, does the standard equal the BOLT:s or is something more included?
04:41 < phwalkr> Does the Lightning standard actually work, or is the _standard_ still experimental and in development?
04:42 < phwalkr>  I'd guess routing algorithms would be the least mature, while I guess the payment logics (as in how do a payment from A to E via given intermediary hops B C D) is perfectly mature. Did I get it right?
04:42 < phwalkr> which Lightning protocol features are truly unstable/experimental now?
04:43 < phwalkr> Which do you think are the best & most authoritative descriptions of the Lightning protocol flow especially the actual performance of payments (not node selection)?
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04:55 < phwalkr> Any further docs/references are welcome!
05:26 < darosior> phwalkr: "does the standard equal the BOLT" => Yes.
05:27 < darosior> phwalkr: "Does the Lightning standard actually work" [...] "is the _standard_ still experimental and in development" I'd say yes and yes
05:28 < darosior> phwalkr: "> Any further docs/references are welcome!" => https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/00-introduction.md#bolt-0-introduction-and-index :p
05:32 < lndbot> <moli> is bitcoin still an experiment? -YES
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06:01 < phwalkr> darosior: Thank you!
06:01 < phwalkr> Would you know how far are we from getting many-people-channel?
06:01 < darosior> phwalkr: do you mean dual funded or multi-party channels ?
06:03 < phwalkr> darosior: By dual funded you mean I can take funds from two different existing channels and make one tx to someone else?
06:04 < darosior> phwalkr: If you don't mean "tx" as in Bitcoin, then I think you are talking about MPP (Multi Path Payments) which have just been merged in the spec today :D
06:05 < darosior> Dual funded is when funding a channel, both parties "put bitcoins in"
06:09 < phwalkr> darosior: oh, right. Great!
06:09 < Jmabsd> darosior: "MPP (Multi Path Payments)" - where?
06:09 < phwalkr> darosior: But dual funding is not possible yet, right?!
06:10 < darosior> Jmabsd: Multi Part* thanks
06:10 < mol> Jmabsd, here: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/commits/master
06:11 < darosior> Jmabsd: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/pull/643
06:11 < phwalkr> darosior: By multi-party channels you mean a channel with more than two people, right? How about that? How far do you think we are from that?
06:12 < darosior> phwalkr: dual funding is not possible for now but niftynei is working on a proposal https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/pull/524
06:13 < darosior> phwalkr: About multi-party channels, I don't know. It's sometimes evoked on the mailing list but I don't know of a proposal to the spec.
06:21 < phwalkr> darosior: I see. Ok. I've heard something about some eltoo paper that woking on that kind of thing. But I need to take a better look to it.
06:21 < phwalkr> darosior: Thank you for you responses!
06:21 < darosior> phwalkr: If you want a close-enough look :p https://blockstream.com/eltoo.pdf
06:21 < darosior> phwalkr: You're welcome.
06:22 < phwalkr> darosior: would you know better about their contributions to that matter?
06:25 < darosior> phwalkr: Hmm you can check lightning-dev archives I think ZmnSCPxj talked about it more than once, but can't remember when https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/
06:28 < phwalkr> darosior: awesome! Thank you!
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08:45 < niftynei> =
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13:22 <+roasbeef> bitconner: nope, I can update it today tho 
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