--- Log opened Sun Dec 22 00:00:46 2019 00:54 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has joined #lightning-dev 00:58 -!- kabaum [~kabaum@2001:9b1:efd:9b00::281] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:52 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 01:57 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:01 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 02:17 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-172-88-21-24.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:23 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-172-88-21-24.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 02:24 -!- opsec_x12 [~opsec_x12@c-67-183-29-123.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 02:27 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 02:29 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:39 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:41 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 02:41 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 03:05 -!- arij [uid225068@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-enoaihypwlgjbnjk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:06 -!- marcoagner [~user@bl11-16-162.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 03:06 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 03:09 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.161.149] has joined #lightning-dev 03:24 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.161.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:26 -!- jonatack [~jon@54.76.13.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lightning-dev 03:45 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lightning-dev 03:47 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:02 < cdecker> Relis: it's a quite common business strategy to build open-source and then offer services on top of the public project 04:10 < Relis> like what sort of service cdecker ? 04:23 < cdecker> Wallets, liquidity providers, etc... 04:24 < cdecker> IP is also a protocol that was developed openly, and people still make money on it 04:24 < cdecker> LN is infrastructure, and you don't make money by building infrastructure, but you need them to build whatever will make you profitable 04:27 < cdecker> I just don't like people throwing communism around ... :-) 04:29 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01 -!- jonatack [~jon@54.76.13.109.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:01 -!- jonatack [~jon@54.76.13.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lightning-dev 05:10 -!- jonatack [~jon@54.76.13.109.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:12 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.170.160.25] has joined #lightning-dev 05:42 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.170.160.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:52 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 05:55 -!- riclas [~riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 06:54 < Relis> So then why is LN finding so little usage two years on cdecker and what are the plans to address the potential reasons as to why it isn't being used as much as it should be used? 07:18 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:22 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #lightning-dev 07:27 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 07:31 < ysangkok> Relis: how do you detect private channels? 07:33 < Relis> I think what I'm trying to say is there some sort of roadmap of what needs to be done to get LN to where grandma can use it? 07:33 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has joined #lightning-dev 07:40 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:40 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 07:42 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 08:20 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 08:22 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 08:25 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@91.240.140.128] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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