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19:06 < niftynei> so i'm writing up some stuff for the dual funding proposal, and wanted to make sure that the "multiple channel opens" case works. the message relay that i've got implemented should work fine, but the fee/change calculation is problematic in some cases
19:06 < niftynei> edge cases, admittedly, but fairly likely ones.
19:06 < niftynei> i tried to make the spec "smart" in that if the opener's change is below dust, we'd fold it into their contribution for the funding output
19:06 < niftynei> likewise, if they can't meet their fee burden, we'd subtract the difference from their funding contribution
19:06 < niftynei> this is problematic in the case where the node who's being the 'accepter' also initiates an 'open' for the same channel (which is behavior we want to encourage, i think)
19:07 < niftynei> the original opener still pays all of the fees, even though the node they 'opened' with snuck in a channel open, also
19:07 < niftynei> the opener always has the option to abandon/cancel an open if they think the fee burden is too high
19:08 < niftynei> so like, if A opens a channel to B (A->B) and then B decides they'd like to piggy back an open with C into this open (B->C)
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19:08 < niftynei> and then A, for whatever reason, has change but it's below the dust limit
19:09 < niftynei> the problem is that the 'smart' consideration means that in a branched open the second (B->C) would increment from the wrong output (they'd use their own funding output, not the original funding output for the A->B case)
19:09 < niftynei> worth mentioning that there's no consideration of how fees for the funding transaction are calculated in the spec currently, because the opener does whatever they want
19:09 < niftynei> i should probably send an email about this eh
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19:10 < niftynei> the simplest fix is to fail if A's inputs aren't enough to cover their desired outputs + fees 
19:11 < niftynei> another option is to just cut A's change output and send everything to fees
19:13 < niftynei> oh the reason B->C pick the wrong output to decrement, is that C has no idea this is a 'shared open', i.e. that the indicated change output doesn't belong to B and that the change funds aren't B's
19:15 < niftynei> it'd fix the problem,  but you'd have to communicate which output is the "fee burdened output"
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21:32 <+roasbeef> niftynei: if all the chans aren't initiated at once, would seem you need some sort of higher level synchronization anyway 
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21:34 <+roasbeef> simplest thing in my mind is just both sides adding inputs/outputs then splitting things proportionally, if i'm following the example 
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