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01:34 < aj> zmnscpxj: no, i just handwaved that. there's maybe a problem with it for the first payment from a single-funded channel too -- if you have all the funs the other end can't pay you msats for locking up your funds. but i guess that's just a rate of 0?
01:34 < zmnscpxj> Or discount the value of the HTLC itself somehow?
01:37 < aj> zmnscpxj: the idea i had was the "holding fee" payments would be unconditional, so that wouldn't work right if the htlc was refunded?
01:38 < zmnscpxj> refunded how? by offchain if-we-both-agree? Because if it is by offchain if-we-both-agree you can just agree to give the encumbrance fee then as part of HTLC removal.
01:39 < aj> sorry, cancelled/timedout
01:39 < aj> not timedout
01:39 < aj> just cancelled
01:40 < zmnscpxj> as in `update_fail_htlc`? because that is what I refer to as offchain if-we-both-agree.
01:40 < zmnscpxj> because in `update_fail_htlc` you are technically not following the letter of the onchain contract, you are just both agreeing that it will not happen anyway so just remove it now.
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01:50 < aj> then yeah
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01:50 < aj> it seems a bit special casey though, and maybe a rate of 0 makes sense if all the funds are on your side anyway
01:51 < zmnscpxj> I wonder what attacks could be done with it though...
01:51 < zmnscpxj> does that mean I cannot safely forward the HTLC of another node, via a new single-funded channel I funded?
01:55 < aj> if you're able to forward HTLCs, you should be able to just move 1000sat from your new channel to one of your old ones, which would give you plenty of room to move
01:55 < zmnscpxj> I suppose that is indeed doable
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