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Is it just (3) or (1), (2), (3)? https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/02-peer-protocol.md#normal-operation 01:23 < asukan> My understanding is (4) commits to (1), (2), updates B's commitment transaction to include (1) and (2); then (6) commits to (1), (2), (3), updates A's commitment transaction to include (1), (2), (3)? 01:33 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:48c6:58e7:fb60:7f0a] has joined #lightning-dev 02:06 -!- marcoagner [~user@bl13-226-166.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 02:09 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:19 < darosior> asukan: actually any added/removed HTLC impacts both the commitment transaction (differently) no matter of the direction. Otherwise A could broadcast its commitment transaction to screw B in-flight HTLCs. 02:21 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:21 < darosior> Here you can find the scripts for the "I 'send' (offer) an HTLC" and "I've been sent (received) an HTLC" cases https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/03-transactions.md#offered-htlc-outputs 02:24 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lightning-dev 02:29 < asukan> Do you mean added/removed HTLC impacts both commitment transactions *eventually*? My question is more about how exactly do both sides in the figure reach the eventual state? Because the HTLCs locks are applied to receiver's commitment transaction first, then to the sender's commitment transaction, so at the time between (5) and (6), htlc locks (1) and (2) are applied to B's commitment transaction but not to A's 02:29 < asukan> commitment transaction yet. 02:40 < darosior> "at the time between (5) and (6), htlc locks (1) and (2) are applied to B's commitment transaction but not to A's" => No, between 5 and 6 only the first update has been locked by the two parties 02:41 < darosior> Between 6 and 7, the second one is only on A (B will add to its own commit tx once it received the revoke_and_ack) 02:42 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lightning-dev 02:47 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lightning-dev 02:54 -!- niceplace 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#lightning-dev 18:48 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52 < asukan> darosior: "No, between 5 and 6 only the first update has been locked by the two parties" => How is that possible? Before 6, A has sent B a signature on the new commitment transaction but A has not received B's signature on her CT. The `revoke_and_ack` from B to A just revoke previous CT. 18:53 < asukan> darosior: "No, between 5 and 6 only the first update has been locked by the two parties" => How is that possible? Before 6, A has sent B a signature on B's new commitment transaction but A has not received B's signature on her CT. 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