--- Log opened Tue May 19 00:00:25 2020 00:02 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:08 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has joined #lightning-dev 00:25 -!- jkczyz [sid419941@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrtiexgadoqaaabo] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:25 -!- jkczyz [sid419941@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-soottmmqyswqyjcd] has joined #lightning-dev 00:27 -!- marcoagner [~user@2001:8a0:6a5f:a900:6d3e:1158:b50:97b6] has joined #lightning-dev 00:33 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@141.98.103.251] has joined #lightning-dev 00:38 -!- zmnscpxj [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39 -!- zmnscpxj [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has joined #lightning-dev 00:57 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@141.98.103.251] has quit [Quit: Pavlenex] 01:00 -!- dfmb_ [~dfmb_@unaffiliated/dfmb/x-4009105] has joined #lightning-dev 01:15 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:20 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 01:39 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:43 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 01:46 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 01:49 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:54 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@141.98.103.251] has joined #lightning-dev 01:58 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lightning-dev 02:03 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:12 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 02:15 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:15 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:24 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has quit [Quit: __gotcha] 02:25 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has joined #lightning-dev 02:39 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:45 -!- yzernik [~yzernik@75-25-138-252.lightspeed.plalca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:01 -!- zkao [zkaomatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-eysthpncrakjgqwp] has joined #lightning-dev 03:03 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@141.98.103.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:59 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lightning-dev 03:59 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 04:03 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:12 -!- m-schmoock [~will@schmoock.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:12 -!- m-schmoock [~will@schmoock.net] has joined #lightning-dev 04:15 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:30 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has joined #lightning-dev 04:58 -!- shesek [~shesek@185.3.145.28] has joined #lightning-dev 04:58 -!- shesek [~shesek@185.3.145.28] has quit [Changing host] 04:58 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 04:58 < mol> frogar, i do, let me pm you 05:15 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lightning-dev 05:16 -!- AbramAdelmo_ [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lightning-dev 05:20 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:12 -!- nothingmuch [~nothingmu@unaffiliated/nothingmuch] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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The outgoing endpoint (i.e., the one whose capacity is being set aside for the newly added HTLC) can specify fees (consisting of base-fee and proportional-fee) independently from the other direction 09:08 < cdecker> The asymmetry in who can set fees is only present when talking on-chain fees, which is probably what ja was referring to 09:20 -!- vasild_ [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has joined #lightning-dev 09:23 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:23 -!- vasild_ is now known as vasild 09:40 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@174-29-9-247.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:45 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has joined #lightning-dev 09:47 -!- _flow_ [~none@salem.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #lightning-dev 09:50 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 09:51 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lightning-dev 09:53 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:53 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@174-29-9-247.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:53 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:09 < fiatjaf> oh 10:09 < fiatjaf> all my life I thought this restriction was valid for LN fees also 10:12 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 10:16 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lightning-dev 10:21 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:32 < ja> i call them "routing fees". less ambiguous than "LN fees" 10:32 < cdecker> Yeah, I guess LN nomenclature is not context free :-) 10:32 -!- yzernik [~yzernik@75-25-138-252.lightspeed.plalca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev 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