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08:03 < bsm117532> I see reference to an "addindex" field but that doesn't seem to appear in the BOLT specifications, nor does any reference to "subscription". 08:04 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 08:04 < bsm117532> Ideally I'd like an offline wallet to be able to receive an invoice and approve it too. 08:12 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:12 -!- jonatack_ [~jon@37.171.42.206] has quit [Quit: jonatack_] 08:16 -!- alko [~alko@BSN-77-151-180.static.siol.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:16 -!- alko [~alko@BSN-77-151-180.static.siol.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:22 -!- alko [~alko@BSN-77-151-180.static.siol.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:37 < t-bast> bsm117532: rusty has been working on a proposal called "offers" for this, see his talk https://youtu.be/HtU7ZlxvLL4?t=1399 08:38 < t-bast> bsm117532: you'll have to compromise on your last statement: your wallet can't be offline and able to receive and approve an invoice 08:38 -!- nicolasburtey [~nicolasbu@c-67-182-27-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:39 < t-bast> bsm117532: you'll have to delegate your keys to something that's online, or allow android/iOS notifications to wake up the wallet and automatically sign to receive the payment (which we're working on right now for Phoenix) 08:40 < t-bast> bsm117532: but your wallet can't be completely offline, it still needs to be connected to the internet to receive that notification 08:43 -!- nicolasburtey [~nicolasbu@c-67-182-27-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:44 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:45 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:45 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has joined #lightning-dev 08:48 -!- th0th [~th0th@gateway/tor-sasl/th0th] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:48 -!- nicolasburtey [~nicolasbu@c-67-182-27-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:49 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 08:51 < bsm117532> Of course. 08:52 < bsm117532> An alternative suggestion would be to receive a set of scheduled payments with due dates that your wallet would track. Due Jun 1, Jul 1, Aug 1, etc... 08:52 -!- nicolasburtey [~nicolasbu@c-67-182-27-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:53 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #lightning-dev 08:54 -!- zmnscpxj_ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:01 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has joined #lightning-dev 09:04 -!- t-bast [~t-bast@ec2-35-180-216-238.eu-west-3.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:21 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@c-65-50-169-164.hs.gigamonster.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:21 < bsm117532> To Rusty's question in the talk: yes I want this. 09:22 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@c-65-50-169-164.hs.gigamonster.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:22 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 09:38 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@c-65-50-169-164.hs.gigamonster.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:42 -!- proofofkeags 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