--- Log opened Wed Jul 08 00:00:13 2020 00:48 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #lightning-dev 00:59 -!- riclas [riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 01:00 -!- vindard [~vindard@190.83.165.233] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00 -!- vindard [~vindard@190.83.165.233] has joined #lightning-dev 01:11 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@185.245.85.251] has joined #lightning-dev 01:33 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 01:50 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:55 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Quit: jonatack] 02:01 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@185.245.85.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:08 -!- nicolasb_ [~nicolasbu@174.137.69.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:27 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #lightning-dev 02:51 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-154-184-23.adslplus.ch] has joined #lightning-dev 02:52 -!- jonatack [~jon@192.113.14.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lightning-dev 02:57 -!- jonatack [~jon@192.113.14.109.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:58 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.162.5] has joined #lightning-dev 03:41 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 03:52 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:52 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 04:07 -!- slivera [~slivera@103.231.88.10] has joined #lightning-dev 04:12 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:55 < lndbot> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/02-peer-protocol.md 04:55 < lndbot> The funder then sends the outpoint of the funding output with the `funding_created` message, along with the signature for the fundee's version of the commitment transaction 04:56 < lndbot> here what is outpoint? 04:56 < zmnscpxj__> index number of transaction output 04:56 < lndbot> it is generally either 0 or 1 right? 04:57 < zmnscpxj__> for 1-channel opens, yes 04:57 < lndbot> txid:0 , txid:1 04:57 < lndbot> what do you mean by 1-channel 04:58 < zmnscpxj__> xref c-lightning https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/pull/3763 04:58 < zmnscpxj__> we can have a single transaction open multiple channels simultaneously to several peers 04:58 < lndbot> oh got it, channels can also be dual funded 04:58 < zmnscpxj__> no not dual funded 04:58 < zmnscpxj__> I mean a single transaction can have more than two outputs 04:58 < zmnscpxj__> like three outputs 04:59 < zmnscpxj__> and all three are channels 04:59 < lndbot> okay i saw your message after i sent mine, got it 04:59 < zmnscpxj__> so an outpoint can be 2, 3, 4.... whatever 04:59 < lndbot> thanks :+1: 05:16 < lndbot> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/02-peer-protocol.md#the-open_channel-message 05:17 < lndbot> when opening a channel, which field is for the BTC address the BTC will be spent from? basically the input to the funding tx 05:18 < zmnscpxj__> it is not important to the receiver of `open_channel` where the sender of `open_channel` gets its money 05:18 < zmnscpxj__> Besides, it could spend multiple inputs as well 05:19 < lndbot> okay but i am asking how does the sender select where the BTC will be spent from 05:19 < zmnscpxj__> up to the sender 05:19 < zmnscpxj__> standard coin selection algorithm 05:20 < lndbot> in lnd, it is from the lightning wallet automatically 05:20 < zmnscpxj__> yes 05:20 < lndbot> is this address specified in the open_channel message 05:20 < zmnscpxj__> In c-lightning, you can source it from the internal wallet, or from any sufficiently-advanced wallet that can select coins without signing and broadcasting a tx 05:21 < zmnscpxj__> no, where the sender spends from does not matter to the receiver of the `open_channel` 05:21 < zmnscpxj__> what use would it make of that information? 05:21 < lndbot> okay that is what I figured too but was not exactly sure. so where is this address specified then 05:21 < zmnscpxj__> in the transaction 05:22 < zmnscpxj__> whose txid you later send in `funding_created` 05:22 < lndbot> i think it must be in the funding tx itself 05:22 < zmnscpxj__> yes 05:22 < zmnscpxj__> more specifically, the funding tx refers to a specific TXO 05:22 < zmnscpxj__> which contains the address 05:22 < lndbot> if i want to outsource the bitcoins from a non-internal wallet, how can this be done 05:23 < lndbot> i see 05:23 < zmnscpxj__> in c-lightning, you initiate `open_channel` and wait for `accept_channel` via the `fundchannel_start` command, which returns the target address 05:24 < zmnscpxj__> then in your external wallet, you get a transaction that can fulfill the address for the amount you specified, *without* signing and broadcasting the transaction, get only the txid 05:24 < zmnscpxj__> in c-lightning, that is `txprepare` 05:24 < lndbot> how about in lnd and also how about asking from owner of an BTC wallet to fund the channel, do you think this is possible. 05:24 < zmnscpxj__> not in the current user wallet designs, no 05:25 < zmnscpxj__> which is why nearly every lightning application has its own internal wallet 05:25 < lndbot> then in your external wallet, you get a transaction that can fulfill the address for the amount you specified, *without* signing and broadcasting the transaction, get only the txid 05:25 < lndbot> trying to figure this out :slightly_smiling_face: 05:26 < zmnscpxj__> c-lightning has an operation to do that, where it selects its coins without signing the transaction, just returns the txid 05:26 < zmnscpxj__> so technically, the c-lightning "internal" wallet is, as far as the channel funding process is concenred, a non-internal wallet 05:26 < lndbot> then this TX can be singed by the owner of the address? 05:26 < zmnscpxj__> we just have glue code that bind them together 05:26 < zmnscpxj__> yes 05:26 < lndbot> okay sounds good 05:27 < zmnscpxj__> the new PSBT proposal, if supported by more wallets, would make this easier 05:27 < zmnscpxj__> and more standardized 05:27 < lndbot> when funder of the channel first creates the funding TX, he does not yet determine where to source the channel from? 05:27 < zmnscpxj__> on creating the funding **tx**, it has to know where to source the channel from 05:28 < zmnscpxj__> but that is done *after* `accept_channel`, before `funding_created` 05:28 < zmnscpxj__> and at `accept_channel`, it already knows the target P2WSH that will be used for the channel 05:28 < lndbot> okay so techically, funder already decided where to get the BTCs from before creating the funding TX 05:28 < zmnscpxj__> yes 05:29 < zmnscpxj__> and the funding tx is not prepared until after `accept_channel` 05:30 < lndbot> if the BTCs will come from a non-internal wallet and has to signed by the owner of this wallet to be able to spent by the funding TX, this can be done and is possible right? 05:30 < zmnscpxj__> with c-lightning, yes 05:30 < lndbot> hm funding tx is created after remote node accepts the channel opening request i see 05:30 < zmnscpxj__> probably rust-lightning too, since it is a library 05:30 < zmnscpxj__> dunno about lnd, sorry 05:30 < lndbot> okay thanks this is what i wanted to learn 05:31 < zmnscpxj__> yes 05:31 < lndbot> :heavy_check_mark: 05:31 < lndbot> bitcoin tx stuff is still complicated to me lol 05:35 -!- treyzania [~treyzania@paphos.tr3y.io] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:36 -!- treyzania [~treyzania@paphos.tr3y.io] has joined #lightning-dev 05:37 -!- Relis [~Relis@185.69.145.234] has joined #lightning-dev 05:42 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:42 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #lightning-dev 06:04 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:06 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:06 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:07 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:08 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:09 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #lightning-dev 06:10 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 06:10 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:11 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:13 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:13 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:15 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #lightning-dev 06:17 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #lightning-dev 06:19 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:22 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:22 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #lightning-dev 06:23 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.162.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:33 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:33 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:38 -!- rdymac [~britoair@89.131.195.21] has joined #lightning-dev 06:38 -!- rdymac is now known as Guest76884 06:42 -!- Guest76884 [~britoair@89.131.195.21] has quit [Client Quit] 06:42 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 06:42 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:52 -!- nicolasburtey [~nicolasbu@174.137.69.102] has joined #lightning-dev 06:55 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:55 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #lightning-dev 07:07 -!- nicolasburtey [~nicolasbu@174.137.69.102] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:08 -!- nicolasburtey [~nicolasbu@174.137.69.102] has joined #lightning-dev 07:10 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@185.245.85.251] has joined #lightning-dev 07:13 -!- nicolasburtey [~nicolasbu@174.137.69.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:18 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:19 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 07:21 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:21 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #lightning-dev 07:22 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #lightning-dev 07:24 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has joined #lightning-dev 07:27 -!- slivera [~slivera@103.231.88.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36 -!- Barno [~Barno@93-34-214-192.ip51.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lightning-dev 07:40 < Barno> hello to everyone, I'd like to study lightning network deeply, and I want to enable DEVELOPER=1. I have already installed c-lightning on my mac, I tried to do " ./configure --enable-developer" and then make. during Make I get that error "tools/mockup.sh: line 12: syntax error near unexpected token `;;'" 07:51 -!- alko89 [~alko89@unaffiliated/alko89] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in] 07:53 -!- alko89 [~alko89@unaffiliated/alko89] has joined #lightning-dev 08:04 -!- Relis [~Relis@185.69.145.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:19 -!- Relis [~Relis@185.69.145.234] has joined #lightning-dev 08:30 -!- vasild_ [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has joined #lightning-dev 08:34 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:34 -!- vasild_ is now known as vasild 08:40 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:40 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #lightning-dev 08:58 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@174-29-8-246.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:02 -!- th0th [~th0th@gateway/tor-sasl/th0th] has joined #lightning-dev 09:03 -!- th0th [~th0th@gateway/tor-sasl/th0th] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #lightning-dev 09:04 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:10 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has joined #lightning-dev 09:12 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #lightning-dev 09:28 -!- Pavlenex1 [~Thunderbi@185.245.85.251] has joined #lightning-dev 09:28 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@185.245.85.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:28 -!- Pavlenex1 is now known as Pavlenex 09:31 -!- Barno [~Barno@93-34-214-192.ip51.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33 -!- Barno [~Barno@93-34-214-192.ip51.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lightning-dev 09:38 -!- Barno [~Barno@93-34-214-192.ip51.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:41 -!- Barno [~Barno@93-34-214-192.ip51.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lightning-dev 09:49 -!- jb55 [~jb55@gateway/tor-sasl/jb55] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02 -!- jb55 [~jb55@gateway/tor-sasl/jb55] has joined #lightning-dev 10:03 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #lightning-dev 10:10 < lndbot> @bastien.teinturier not sure sticking with bitcoin core’s wallet is the best idea. I’ve had experience with huge bitcoind wallets and severe performance issues after so many transactions/addresses 10:31 -!- zmnscpxj__ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:01 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has joined #lightning-dev 11:07 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #lightning-dev 11:23 < darosior> Barno: C-lightning specific questions are better directed to #c-lightning, but anyway: check you have all the dependencies and dev dependencies installed, `make distclean && ./configure --enable-developer && make` and you should be gtg 11:26 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:27 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has joined #lightning-dev 11:35 < Barno> darosior: thanks! 11:39 -!- zaff [~zaff@d111-50.icpnet.pl] has joined #lightning-dev 11:42 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@185.245.85.251] has 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TBH my hope is that if we have issues with bitcoin core's wallet, we can fix them directly in bitcoin core so that it benefits more people, but we'll see how doable that is in practice 23:55 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:55 -!- jakesyl [sid56879@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eodttputhgzwdsdn] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:56 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:56 -!- jakesyl [sid56879@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-idnbndmrmcjvfrnz] has joined #lightning-dev 23:58 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #lightning-dev --- Log closed Thu Jul 09 00:00:13 2020