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07:57 < lndbot> <ahmetkurt95> how is 2-of-2 funding_pubkey generated?
07:58 < lndbot> <ahmetkurt95> who generates it, the funder of the channel? does the funder need to know the pubkey of the acceptor?
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08:16 < ja> @ahmetkurt95 they are ordered, so if you know the other, you know the combined one, since you always know your own
08:18 < lndbot> <ahmetkurt95> okay but how is the procedure in LN for it when opening a channel? Is `funding_pubkey` generated prior to sending `open_channel` ?
08:21 < ja> @ahmetkurt95, yes, since it is sent in the open_channel message, it has to be generated before being sent: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/02-peer-protocol.md#the-open_channel-message
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08:25 < lndbot> <ahmetkurt95> okay because if you read the messages above, someone told me funding_pubkey is decided by the acceptor of the channel and is included in accept_channel
08:26 < lndbot> <ahmetkurt95> that kinda confused things for me
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08:27 < ja> there are two funding_pubkey's ;)
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08:27 < lndbot> <ahmetkurt95> really?
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08:28 < ja> yes, that is how 2-of-2 works in bitcoin currently, you just explicitly have multiple keys, since there is no key aggregation or anything yet
08:28 < ja> i mean, there are those fancy pairing based schemes but lightning is not using them yet
08:29 < ja> @ahmetkurt95 there are many things in lightning that are kinda symmetric, in that each party has a half
08:31 < ja> @ahmetkurt95, but ask yourself, how could lightning work if both parties has all the necessary keys to spend from the funding output? then i could just close the channel at any time, giving all funds to myself. you don't want that :P
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08:34 < ja> the point of the channel opening dance is to agree on how the funding output looks like, and make sure each party has a commitment transaction (symmetric!) such that they can close the channel. but they have to negotiate to get a new commitment transaction, they can't just update the channel state alone. they need a signature made with the counterparty's funding privkey
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