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[Client Quit] 08:40 -!- spurdolicious [~spurdo@dsl-tkubng12-54f953-193.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lightning-dev 08:45 < spurdolicious> Hello. I'm not deeply familiar with LN so I could be completely wrong (and late) and forgive my newbieness in that case, but I've been thinking the LN routing lately and I believe some sort of decentralized delegated trampoline routing could work. The network would consist of non-trampoline and trampoline nodes, but none knows whether one is a trampoline node or not. Nodes just connect to their own peers. And when A want 08:45 < spurdolicious> s to send payment to X but doesn't know a route, A queries B for the route to X, B queries C for the route to X, C queries D for the route to X, and D is trampoline node, and D knows that D->E->F->X works, so D returns D->E->F->X to C, C returns C->D->E->F->X to B, and B returns B->C->D->E->F->X to A, and thus A knows A->B->C->D->E->F->X works. The disadvantage is that a lot of peers (A, B, C, D) will know that X is gett 08:45 < spurdolicious> ing a payment and the sum of payment so it's a tradeoff from privacy, but the sender would remain anonymous. It should be compatible with rendezvous routing as well, so the recipient could remain unknown. When quering peers for a route, peers would prioritize the ones with the best history of routing, and there'd be an economic incentive for hosting trampoline nodes for fees. 08:45 -!- th0th1 [~th0th@gateway/tor-sasl/th0th] has joined #lightning-dev 08:49 -!- th0th [~th0th@gateway/tor-sasl/th0th] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:51 -!- laptop [~laptop@212.203.87.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:01 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@174-29-8-246.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:37 -!- jeremyrubin [~jr@2601:645:c200:f539:c03f:40d9:1aa8:e444] has joined #lightning-dev 09:39 -!- ebinspurdo [54f953c1@dsl-tkubng12-54f953-193.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08 -!- arij [uid225068@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gtiboqjgleznnajs] has joined #lightning-dev 10:21 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:29 -!- laptop [~laptop@85-195-244-64.fiber7.init7.net] has joined #lightning-dev 11:45 -!- laptop 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the network simply to keep its data costs down 14:34 < zmnscpxj__> but the network switched to mostly unpublished channels, so .... *shrug* 14:48 -!- nicolasb_ [~nicolasbu@24-116-195-80.cpe.sparklight.net] has joined #lightning-dev 14:51 -!- nicolasburtey [~nicolasbu@172.58.67.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52 -!- zmnscpxj_ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has joined #lightning-dev 14:54 -!- zmnscpxj__ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17 -!- nicolasburtey [~nicolasbu@172.58.107.232] has joined #lightning-dev 15:21 -!- nicolasb_ [~nicolasbu@24-116-195-80.cpe.sparklight.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:27 -!- marcoagner [~user@bl11-17-219.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:46 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 16:01 -!- nicolasburtey [~nicolasbu@172.58.107.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:02 -!- zmnscpxj_ 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