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want to remove the absolute fee limit and compare only on feerate 09:06 < ariard> feerate-wise how does it compare with anchor output+package relay ? 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[~arowser1@192.69.88.248] has joined #lightning-dev 20:44 < jeremyrubin> roasbeef: kinda 20:44 < jeremyrubin> Basically imagine you have an output A which is spent to an output B with TXID= 231 20:44 <+roasbeef> parent just signals "the rest of the fees will be in this other transaction" ? 20:45 < jeremyrubin> Then I spend an output X to a change addr Y and OP_VER 231 20:45 < jeremyrubin> and that TX has TXID=542 20:45 < jeremyrubin> So 542 gets treated as a child of 231 in the mempool, but has no common ancestor 20:46 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46 < jeremyrubin> 542 may only be in the block if 231 is. 20:46 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248.16clouds.com] has joined #lightning-dev 20:46 < jeremyrubin> 231 may be in the block with or without 542. 20:47 < jeremyrubin> So with ancestor feerate based mining, if 542 pays a good feerate it will get selected by the mining code, which then requires 231 in. 20:47 < jeremyrubin> And with descendent score expiring, 231 gets a boost from 542 being in the pool, so it's not evicted for being lowfee 20:50 < jeremyrubin> The rule that I put restricts that txns like 542 cannot have any actual ancestors or descendants, so they're always RBF-able 20:51 < jeremyrubin> so if someone attaches a bad sponsor tx to you, 1st off it doesn't negatively impact you because it is just a child (can't decrease your viability) 20:52 < jeremyrubin> and you can replace it with anything that is higher fee (mempool only, to prevent the code from getting too complicated, we only allow 1 sponsor. Blocks don't care so this can be fixed later) 20:53 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lightning-dev 20:54 < jeremyrubin> [8/11/20 20:44] parent just signals "the rest of the fees will be in this other transaction" ? 20:54 < jeremyrubin> I think this can be handled with either package relay if the parent does not have enough fee to even get in the mempool at all. 20:55 < jeremyrubin> Or something similar (I think orphan pool can fix it too) 20:55 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:58 < jeremyrubin> (those fixes also apply for CPFP or other things, the issue that this is trying to fix is as an alternative to things like anchor outputs) 21:25 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248] has joined #lightning-dev 21:35 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248] has joined #lightning-dev 21:45 -!- zmnscpxj_ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:56 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248] has joined #lightning-dev 21:57 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #lightning-dev 22:05 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:21 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248.16clouds.com] has joined #lightning-dev 22:30 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lightning-dev 22:33 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:35 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248] has joined #lightning-dev 22:36 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 22:42 -!- jb55 [~jb55@gateway/tor-sasl/jb55] has quit [Quit: jb55] 23:08 -!- fkinglag [~fkinglag@unaffiliated/fkinglag] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:11 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:19 -!- fkinglag [~fkinglag@unaffiliated/fkinglag] has joined #lightning-dev 23:23 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248] has joined #lightning-dev 23:47 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@192.69.88.248] has joined #lightning-dev 23:59 -!- marcoagner [~user@bl11-17-219.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lightning-dev --- Log closed Wed Aug 12 00:00:48 2020