--- Log opened Tue Sep 29 00:00:32 2020
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00:25 < zmnscpxj> What other Lightning DNS seeds are there? lseed.darosior.ninja is not reliable from my connection, even with @1.1.1.1 or @8.8.8.8
00:26 < zmnscpxj> lseed.bitcoinstats.com works with @1.1.1.1
00:26 < zmnscpxj> I mean for SRV requests
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00:51 < cdecker> zmnscpxj: that's usually an issue with the size of the response, since recursive resolvers cache the result they'll refuse to relay large results.
00:51 < cdecker> In my experience around 5 SRV results still work with most recursive resolvers, any more than that and they start simply timing out the requests
00:51 < cdecker> Not sure how many darosior has configured
00:52 < zmnscpxj> dig @1.1.1.1 n5.lseed.darosior.ninja SRV still gives me no answers
00:53 < zmnscpxj> I used to be able to get 25 when using @8.8.8.8 but no longer recently, hmmm
00:54 < zmnscpxj> using my ISP resolver gives me 0 results on bitcoinstats.com, I have to use @1.1.1.1
00:55 < cdecker> Yes, ISP resolvers are notoriously flaky
00:56 < zmnscpxj> dig @1.1.1.1 lseed.bitcoinstats.com SRV is fairly reliable on my ISP, wonder how reliable it is for others...?
00:56 < zmnscpxj> who is willing to try?
00:57 < cdecker> Works for me xD (no surprise there I run the resolver)
00:58 < zmnscpxj> yes, I expected that, haha
00:58 < zmnscpxj> who else runs an lseed?
00:59 < cdecker> I think roasbeef has a heavily modified version
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00:59 < zmnscpxj> what addr?
01:00 < zmnscpxj> what URI I mean?
01:01 < cdecker> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/e135047304723024dbb72cb01932ad1a3e367804/chainregistry.go#L619-L643
01:02 < cdecker> They sidestep the recursive resolver issue by forcing TCP connections
01:02 < cdecker> dig +tcp srv nodes.lightning.directory
01:03 < zmnscpxj> okay, that works directly for me
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01:03 < cdecker> Downside is that the DNS server learns the IP address of all nodes querying it, whereas with recursive resolving the DNS server only sees the ISP IP
01:03 < zmnscpxj> ...ah
01:04 < zmnscpxj> is it possible to proxy that somehow? It is over TCP...?
01:04 < cdecker> See the TLS over TCP querying debate for Cloudflare
01:04 < zmnscpxj> <--- is happily ignorant of basic DNS architecture and just uses Tor browser and trusts it works
01:05 < cdecker> Hehe, DNS is pretty much just decades of clutter accumulating, and different generations of ideas clashing with each other
01:06 < cdecker> Just look at the security story to ensure cryptographic integrity of records (DNSSEC et al)
01:08 < zmnscpxj> `dig @1.1.1.1 nodes.lightning.directory SRV` works, but has this scary ";; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode." comment, is that what you refer to?
01:09 < cdecker> Yep, you can go directly to TCP mode with the `+tcp` flag
01:09 < zmnscpxj> there is no way to say "do not go into TCP mode"?
01:09 < cdecker> Dunno
01:10 < cdecker> DNS over TCP is pretty new to me as well xD
01:10 < zmnscpxj> heh
01:11 < zmnscpxj> TCP mode is the reason the dns seed can see the IP of the querier, or something else?
01:11 < zmnscpxj> +notcp stll falls back to TCP, hmmm
01:11 < zmnscpxj> though `torify dig @1.1.1.1 +tcp nodes.lightning.directory SRV` works....
01:12 < zmnscpxj> cannot find a proxy flag for dig though, sigh
01:13 < zmnscpxj> Ah, +ignore
01:13 < zmnscpxj> +ignore prevents the fallback
01:13 < zmnscpxj> hmmm
01:18 < cdecker> Yep, afaik TCP mode will directly contact the authoritative DNS server and query it.
01:19 < zmnscpxj> thanks
01:19 < cdecker> Nope, apparently I'm mistaken, and recursive resolving works with TCP
01:19 < cdecker> Need to recalibrate my mental model then xD
01:19 < zmnscpxj> haha
01:21 < zmnscpxj> +tcp works with bitcoinstats.com but not darosior.ninja
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01:22 < zmnscpxj> +ignore works with bitcoinstats.com but not nodes.lightning.directory
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01:37 < cdecker> Yep, I think darosior.ninja uses my version of lseed, while roasbeef heavily modified his
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02:30 < darosior> Thanks for checking zmnscpxj, my configuration seems broken since this weekend's outage. Will look into it soon
02:30 < darosior> (I do use cdecker's lseed fwiw)
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02:33 < cdecker> Hm, maybe we should spend a bit of time to update it a bit more :-)
02:38 < darosior> Yeah definitely at some point i had plans to improve it but..
02:38 < zmnscpxj> okthx
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15:26 <+roasbeef> yeh here's my fork of cdecker's seed: https://github.com/roasbeef/lseed 
15:26 <+roasbeef> next thing on my todo list is to add proper tor awareness so it can actually crawl those nodes 
15:27 <+roasbeef> our little tcp hack for tor srv works relatively well, but still some resolvers can truncate the resp at times 
15:52 <+roasbeef> ariard: does that example re revocations only apply to the case where you're trying to sweep the revoked inputs in the mempool rather than wait until everything has been confirmed? 
15:52 <+roasbeef> fwiw lnd only tries to ever sweep fully confirmed inputs, we had mempool tracking stuff there in the past, but ripped it out eventually as it was simpler to just wait for things to land in a block since you don't have a "moving target" at that point 
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