--- Log opened Wed Oct 07 00:00:39 2020 00:18 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:19 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 00:23 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:24 -!- yzernik [~yzernik@12.203.56.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:28 -!- yzernik [~yzernik@12.203.56.101] has joined #lightning-dev 00:45 -!- afk11 [~afk11@gateway/tor-sasl/afk11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:47 -!- afk11 [~afk11@gateway/tor-sasl/afk11] has joined #lightning-dev 01:00 -!- riclas [riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 01:30 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 01:35 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 01:37 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 01:39 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:55 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-67-168-1-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:56 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:04 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@37.120.205.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:04 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 02:09 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-67-168-1-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 02:13 -!- afk11 [~afk11@gateway/tor-sasl/afk11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13 -!- afk11 [~afk11@gateway/tor-sasl/afk11] has joined #lightning-dev 02:25 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:26 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 02:29 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.162.94] has joined #lightning-dev 02:32 -!- laptop [~laptop@ppp-0-246.leed-a-2.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lightning-dev 02:42 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-67-168-1-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:45 -!- da39a3ee5e6b4b0d [~textual@n11211935170.netvigator.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 03:43 -!- maybefbi [~maybefbi@112.199.218.101] has joined #lightning-dev 03:43 < maybefbi> in the lightning network, what prevents everyone from opening a channel with the same huge channel operator who is connected with everyone? 03:51 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 04:03 < michaelfolkson> Technically nothing maybefbi. People can if they want. In reality though why would we always have two hops to get anywhere? If A pays want to B it won't always make sense to go A -> central operator -> B rather than A just opening a channel directly with B 04:04 < michaelfolkson> *If A wants to pay B 04:07 < michaelfolkson> It is inefficient, creates the central operator as a bottleneck for liquidity, worse for privacy, the central operator might charge higher fees or seek to sell data, becomes easily censored etc etc 04:19 -!- shesek [~shesek@164.90.217.137] has joined #lightning-dev 04:19 -!- shesek [~shesek@164.90.217.137] has quit [Changing host] 04:19 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 04:21 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:30 -!- da39a3ee5e6b4b0d [~textual@n11211935170.netvigator.com] has joined #lightning-dev 04:44 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.162.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:58 -!- tryphe_ is now known as tryphe 05:33 -!- martindale [ericfabric@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-pjuyuxqsnaoarwte] has quit [Quit: killed] 05:42 -!- martindale [ericfabric@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-adwvcsrhggcunnme] has joined #lightning-dev 06:03 -!- tryphe_ [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 06:04 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: kallewoof, da39a3ee5e6b4b0d, gribble, tryphe, alko89, martindale 06:04 -!- tryphe_ is now known as tryphe 06:04 -!- Netsplit over, joins: alko89 06:06 -!- martindale [ericfabric@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-inzvrljutvskskgo] has joined #lightning-dev 06:06 -!- bsm117532 [~bsm117532@unaffiliated/bsm117532] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:07 -!- TheFuzzStone[m] [thefuzzsto@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-isxoqamhlyxlkhky] has joined #lightning-dev 06:08 -!- bsm117532 [~bsm117532@unaffiliated/bsm117532] has joined #lightning-dev 06:09 -!- kallewoof [~quassel@240d:1a:759:6000:a7b1:451a:8874:e1ac] has joined #lightning-dev 06:11 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #lightning-dev 06:13 -!- kloinka [~quassel@223.177.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14 -!- kloinka [~quassel@223.177.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined #lightning-dev 06:18 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 06:38 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #lightning-dev 06:52 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:52 -!- worc3131 [~quassel@2a02:c7f:c026:9500:7d0b:65d0:38a4:4786] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 06:53 -!- worc3131 [~quassel@2a02:c7f:c026:9500:a0d2:b9d1:42a4:69b4] has joined #lightning-dev 07:04 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:20 < maybefbi> michaelfolkson: thanks. makes sense. michaelfolkson: until i close a channel and claim my coins on the blockchain, i cannot spend in another channel can i? 07:23 < michaelfolkson> If you have opened a channel with say 1 Bitcoin of outgoing capacity you can make routed payments to various destinations across the network with that 1 Bitcoin (assuming your channel counterparty has channels with other people) 07:24 < michaelfolkson> What do you want to do? Open a second channel with some of the capacity of that original channel (ie shrinking the capacity of that first channel)? 07:24 < michaelfolkson> So you now have two channels with 0.5 Bitcoin of outgoing capacity in each? 07:27 < michaelfolkson> You could do this but you'd need to use splicing (which requires onchain transaction). 07:28 < michaelfolkson> You wouldn't need to close the first channel but you'd need to do onchain transaction 07:32 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 08:12 -!- da39a3ee5e6b4b0d [~textual@n11211935170.netvigator.com] has joined #lightning-dev 08:38 -!- Bugz [~pi@035-134-226-003.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:58 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59 -!- da39a3ee5e6b4b0d [~textual@n11211935170.netvigator.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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