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13:05 <+roasbeef> fiatjaf: standard crypto practice, you can also feed it into an HKDF to derive an essentially unbounded amount of ranodm bytes 13:07 <+roasbeef> at times it can be useful in security proofs as well, since the encoding of points themselves can vary 13:14 <+roasbeef> and aren't uniformly distributed 13:32 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 13:36 -!- vtnerd [~vtnerd@50-81-138-206.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:37 -!- vtnerd [~vtnerd@50-81-138-206.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lightning-dev 13:43 < harding> fiatjaf: imagine you know of an attack on the symmetric encryption that reveals a few bits of the encryption key. Imagine you also know that the parties generated their ephemeral keys using a flawed RNG where knowing the first few bits of the ECDH shared secret reveals the rest of the secret. If the ECDH shared secret is used directly as the encryption key, you can combine those two partial breaks (which are useless on their own) 13:43 < harding> into a full break. But, if the ECDH shared secret is run through a one-way function to produce the encryption key, then knowing a few bits of the encryption key (hash digest) is useless towards learning the ECDH shared secret (hash preimage)---so the attack doesn't work. 14:07 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-172-88-21-24.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 14:08 -!- vasild_ [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has joined #lightning-dev 14:11 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:11 -!- vasild_ is now known as vasild 14:22 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:38 -!- vtnerd [~vtnerd@50-81-138-206.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:39 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:41 -!- vtnerd [~vtnerd@50-81-138-206.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lightning-dev 14:45 < fiatjaf> thank you! 14:49 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:52 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#lightning-dev 16:50 < lnd-bot> [lightning-rfc] Roasbeef merged pull request #749: fix typo in 'HTLC Output Handling' section (master...patch-4) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/pull/749 16:50 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lightning-dev [] 16:50 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lightning-dev 16:50 < lnd-bot> [lightning-rfc] Roasbeef pushed 1 commit to master: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/compare/01f29bf9feca...57e5545bbcb9 16:50 < lnd-bot> lightning-rfc/master 57e5545 Jan Xie: BOLT-05: fix typo in 'HTLC Output Handling' section 16:50 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lightning-dev [] 16:53 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 16:53 <+roasbeef> so for lnd 0.12, we're looking to flip static remote key to _required_ 16:53 <+roasbeef> as well as the required bit for payment addresses, in addition to always requiring it in a payload for one of our invoies (we always generate and set it) 16:55 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lightning-dev 16:55 < lnd-bot> [lightning-rfc] Roasbeef merged pull request #812: Remove broken structured.py (master...remove-broken-structured-script) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/pull/812 16:55 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lightning-dev [] 16:55 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lightning-dev 16:55 < lnd-bot> [lightning-rfc] Roasbeef pushed 1 commit to master: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/compare/57e5545bbcb9...5afe7028f4eb 16:55 < lnd-bot> lightning-rfc/master 5afe702 Janus Troelsen: tools: remove broken structured.py (#812) 16:55 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lightning-dev [] 17:12 -!- da39a3ee5e6b4b0d [~textual@cm-171-98-70-75.revip7.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:22 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22 -!- DeanWeen 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