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I was wondering where the scheme here comes from: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/03-transactions.md#efficient-per-commitment-secret-storage I have some memory that was attributed to rusty but I'm not sure. 16:02 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #lightning-dev 16:09 < rusty> llfourn: my head, I guess? See https://github.com/rustyrussell/ccan/blob/master/ccan/crypto/shachain/design.txt 16:11 < rusty> (I actually thought of it originally as a chain-of-chains (e.g. derive M vals from each of N) as an improvement on the simple chain of N idea. Then I thought, hmm, that's from 1 dimension to 2, what if we take it to D dimensions? But people got very confused and thought a binary tree was a much simpler explanation :) 16:13 -!- da39a3ee5e6b4b0d [~da39a3ee5@cm-171-98-91-208.revip7.asianet.co.th] has joined #lightning-dev 16:14 < llfourn> rusty: thanks! I thought I remembered a document like this but couldn't find it. I will see if I can get my head around it. 16:20 -!- dongcarl1 is now known as dongcarl 16:20 < rusty> llfourn: it's not hard. Just start from a simple chain of hashes, then try to optimize :) 16:22 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lightning-dev 16:25 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lightning-dev 16:28 -!- mrostecki [~mrostecki@gateway/tor-sasl/mrostecki] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:29 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lightning-dev 16:32 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lightning-dev 16:40 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:41 -!- rusty 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