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With the recent proving test showing the risk, it seems something at the base layer of the LN protocol has to be introduced to resolve it, like a non-destructive means for a LN host to close/reject a half open TX. Or, as in this case, a griefing penalty: https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.09327 10:05 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:19 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:46 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 10:47 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 10:50 -!- worc3131 [~quassel@2a02:c7f:dcc4:6500:cf0e:3346:8766:ab20] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:04 -!- leetspete1 [~none@cpe-172-113-49-227.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 11:13 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 11:17 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 11:18 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@172.97.43.112] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@172.97.43.112] has joined #lightning-dev 12:26 -!- jeremyrubin [~jr@2601:645:c200:14:91a5:d8cb:fe32:d136] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:32 -!- mdunnio_ [~mdunnio@172.97.43.112] has joined #lightning-dev 12:35 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@172.97.43.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:37 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 12:53 -!- arij [uid225068@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-epqtkecnguzquaud] has joined #lightning-dev 13:32 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-3-145.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lightning-dev 13:34 -!- laptop [~laptop@ppp-3-188.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:49 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:52 -!- jeremyrubin [~jr@2601:645:c200:14:91a5:d8cb:fe32:d136] has joined #lightning-dev 14:23 -!- jeremyrubin [~jr@2601:645:c200:14:91a5:d8cb:fe32:d136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23 -!- jeremyrubin [~jr@2601:645:c200:14:91a5:d8cb:fe32:d136] has joined #lightning-dev 14:41 -!- marcoagner [~user@bl6-202-153.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 14:42 -!- marcoagn1 [~user@bl6-202-153.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:49 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:51 < ariard> coinzdude: see https://github.com/t-bast/lightning-docs/blob/master/spam-prevention.md and https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2020-November/002884.html for the proposed solutions so far, we don't have a consensus yet on the best solution 14:52 < ariard> and we still a terminology issue, I never know if I should say griefing or channel jamming to name the same thing 15:10 -!- mdunnio_ [~mdunnio@172.97.43.112] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@172.97.43.112] has joined #lightning-dev 15:28 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@172.97.43.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:47 -!- cryptoso- [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lightning-dev 15:47 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Quit: %bye%] 16:36 -!- jonatack [~jon@192.30.89.75] has quit [K-Lined] 17:49 -!- riclas [~riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:50 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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