--- Log opened Wed Jan 27 00:00:27 2021 00:05 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 00:21 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 00:21 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21 -!- lio17 [~lio17@80.ip-145-239-89.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:47 -!- lio17 [~lio17@80.ip-145-239-89.eu] has joined #lightning-dev 00:53 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:00 -!- riclas [~riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 01:15 -!- laptop__ [~laptop@ppp-3-145.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lightning-dev 01:19 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 02:00 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 02:04 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 02:08 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 02:53 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:55 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lightning-dev 03:09 < sword_smith> NĂ¥. "No module named 'yfinance'" 03:09 < sword_smith> sorry. 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[sid403625@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lawqubshixlrtmyr] has joined #lightning-dev 11:44 -!- sr_gi [~sr_gi@static-6-109-229-77.ipcom.comunitel.net] has joined #lightning-dev 11:45 -!- otoburb [~otoburb@unaffiliated/otoburb] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:50 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 12:00 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-152.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lightning-dev 12:08 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lightning-dev 12:18 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@24.8.218.42] has joined #lightning-dev 12:26 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 12:42 <+roasbeef> harding: ah yeh it seems to be out of date, we made a move to make it opt in since we wanted to smoothe our more of the UX friction w.r.t the new requirement to maintain a set of coins on chain at all times for bumping purposes 12:43 <+roasbeef> ariard: for keysend? should be like 3 line description, rn "the code is the spec" ;) 12:43 <+roasbeef> but I'd imagine we all want to center on AMP instead, since it supports payment splitting, implementing receiving support for amp is also a bit simpler conceptually than sending fwiw 12:44 -!- wallet42___ [sid154231@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xrzcgkxzlzktxvvp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44 -!- jakesyl [sid56879@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lmppngrkivrboftf] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46 -!- jakesyl [sid56879@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ovsgclsmhkkkcxht] has joined #lightning-dev 12:47 <+roasbeef> harding: looking at the text is says "`lnd` will now open the new channel type dubbed "anchor channels" by default if both peers support it. You signal support by setting the `--protocol.anchors` flag at `lnd` startup" 12:47 <+roasbeef> which is accurate, if both peers signal it, it'll be auto opened 12:47 -!- wallet42___ [sid154231@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cyqjwvcpwnemivxk] has joined #lightning-dev 12:53 -!- krouspyy [56ee3a7c@lfbn-idf1-1-979-124.w86-238.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 13:03 -!- otoburb [~otoburb@unaffiliated/otoburb] has joined #lightning-dev 13:19 < harding> roasbeef: I only read the first paragraph, "[...] anchor commitment types are now the default, [...]". Having to enable an option to get a certain behavior is not how I personally define "default" behavior. :-) That said, I agree that anyone who reads the details later in the release notes should understand what they need to do if they want anchor channels. 13:32 -!- laptop [~laptop@ppp-0-143.leed-a-2.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lightning-dev 13:34 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-3-145.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:49 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:51 -!- cameron[m] [cameronots@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-urciujakihrgzfwh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:51 -!- tiker[m] [tikerfunky@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rgmmkctcuycbnkek] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:51 -!- lucen[m] [lucenmshrm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-keuveqszsatsakjd] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:51 -!- quartermonk[m] [quartermon@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zxawqxdtoununrfu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 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